158: How to Live a Healthy Life in a Sick World | Troy Casey

It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. And that's what we have here today. My mission is to raise human consciousness and change all systems. You can't change the systems if the consciousness is not going to support it. I'm here to change all the systems. 75% of the American people are obese or overweight. 9 out of 10 Americans are metabolically dysfunctional. The number two killer amongst children 14 to 21 is fucking suicide. All the fitness influencers you follow, especially the women, are on drugs. Microdosing Ozempic and all this other nonsense. And lip fillers and Botox. The makeup is toxic. This is not neurosis. This is the truth. The doors are open to my 2026 live Audacious Embodiment event in Miami, May 15th through 17th. And I'm calling all of my ladies who are ready to stop pretending, performing, curating and managing a rigid identity. This weekend, we will be focusing on four Ps because I love alliteration. Pattern Disrupt. We are going to lay fresh snow on your mountain so that you can ski new tracks. because experiences that take you out of your routine and stimulate all of the right conditions allow you to shift your identity even after one weekend. The next P is permission field because when you know what's possible, when you are modeled and templated a new breadth of experience for yourself as a woman, you get to be more of yourself. And here's the thing. when you're attending a retreat or a training, you need to choose a space holder who has owned more of his or her shit than you have, because they can expand that permission field for you. And if you ask any of my friends or my family, they will tell you that I have done my share of pivots and am pretty practiced at being bad and wrong so that I can facilitate this expansion of your permission field in the space of just a few days, maybe even just a few minutes. The next P is pleasure because it deserves to sit in the proper place in the hierarchy of your priorities as an everyday experience. I also am very focused on creating the conditions for the pleasure that we experience as women together. It is so healing and so powerful. The last P is polarity because your girl just came off of a David Data teacher training. I have many nuggets to share and I have a very particular perspective on what it is to be a woman in her feminine power. And no, it is not rose petal baths and rage catharsis in groups on retreat. Okay. The second edition of Audacious Embodiment Live will feature more practice time with yours truly by request of the previous audience members, and also, of course, daily dance, sensual movement, and transformational practices that will expand your experience of your own body as a woman and create the conditions for more aliveness in your daily life. And a total rebrand on who you get to be as a woman in this world. I cannot wait to squeeze you in Miami this May. The link is in show notes and also at kellybroganmd.com forward slash A-E. Hi, and welcome back to Reclamation Radio. I am Dr. Kelly Brogan. And today I sit down with the one and only Troy Casey, whom you might know as the certified health nut. Former Versace model turned longevity expert, author of Ripped at 50, and potentially the sequel because he's now 60 and still ripped. and I chat about his journey as a man, as an entrepreneur, as a father, and specifically his beliefs around a man's legacy and around the role of failure, his orientation towards marriage and fatherhood, and his experience, which so much mirrors my own, in celibacy. We also talk about the very fine line between personal responsibility for one's health and wellness and the biological inputs that you offer your body every single day and the neuroticism that can sometimes translate as frailty, as fragility, as weakness. And we try to contribute some nuance to the conversation around health and wellness in today's world. Enjoy. Welcome, Troy, to the show. Thanks for having me, Kelly. Or shall I actually address you as Certified Health Knot? Does anybody do that? Certified Health Knot, here to get the world healthy. This is the man behind the brand. And I was sort of contextually prefacing with you before we pressed go that I really do. I do want to get to know the man behind the brand because we have a ton of ideologic, if I could say that, philosophical, metaphysical overlap when it comes to how to inhabit this human vessel, right? Like what should the inputs be? How do we remember what vitality actually feels like? What does aging mean? Right. And I think we also have, and we can get into this, a shared sort of, I don't know, cringe around biohacking as a tech wearable and otherwise like a grasping at things that the body doesn't necessarily need to flourish and be optimized. So I feel like we have such common ground there. I do want to touch on your journey into this conceptualization of health and human biology. But I want to put it in the context of your maturational experience as a man, as an entrepreneur, as a father, as a husband, past, present, future, whatever that means archetypally, because you have spanned many generations. You are a living example of what vitality looks at, you know, the advanced and ripe age of whatever you are. I'll be 60 this year. There you go. I'll wait for you to admit it, which is extraordinary. And yeah, I think it's an amazing opportunity for me to really get this window. So I want to start with the rupture that you had at some point in your history. And I know a bit about it, so I'm teeing you up. The rupture that you had with the matrix, right? So when it was that you chose the road less traveled, that you encountered this fork and you said, I'm done with the familiar and I'm going to begin to blaze my own trail because my sense is that that is when your initiation began. That's when your maturation began to come online. And it was, you know, at this point decades ago, right? So I've been on this path for, let's say, 15, 16 years, but you've been on it way longer than me. And I know I have a lot of wisdom to impart. So maybe take us back. The exit of the matrix? Yeah, the bad old days. Well, so, you know, I chased paper when I was younger. You know, what are you going to do? You go to college for a little while and you think, oh, let me just go to college so I'll get a better job. You know, I got out of high school and I started working for this shower door company, right? A laborer. And I hated it. And I didn't make it through the two-week gauntlet or whatever. They gave me my last check and they're like, take care, buddy. You know, I didn't have, I wasn't interested in being, you know, a laborer or some kind of construction guy. And so then I went back to school and college. This is right after high school, went to college that next year. And I needed a bunch of mathematics that I didn't do in high school. And so I was kind of on the slow boat to China. And I had really great teachers. I had teachers from Berkeley, from San Francisco State. I went to college in Marin. And then I had really good teachers when I was in school in San Diego. So I got the opportunity to go into the fashion industry as a model. A lot of people were walking up to me and saying, hey, you should do this. And I knew nothing about it. But I started to realize, hey, maybe there's some money. I can make some money from that. And so I went down that whole road. And I moved to Milan, moved to L.A. from San Diego, took some pictures. And it was still a freelance job. You still had to market yourself. And so but I thought there would just be great opportunity. And little did I know, you know, there was a Diddy Party Epstein kind of thing going on way undercover. It was kind of implied. And I wasn't interested in playing those types of sexual games. They existed. However, I gave it the old college try. I moved to Italy. I used my Spanish that I learned in college and, you know, gave it the old college try. I got some great contracts out of Japan. Japan was a little bit more egalitarian. I was in Miami when Miami was coming up, and I had an agent that wasn't really caught up in the whole fashion scene. He was a young man out of Miami, and he helped Versace buy that property on Ocean Drive. And I was able to be in the right place at the right time. Twelve guys got on that shoot, and I made sure I was front and center. And so I have the book South Beach Stories where, you know, I'm in many of the pages in it. And I ended up doing four campaigns and with Chrissy Kerlington and Naomi Campbell. And I had a rock star phase in that I was still asleep, just chasing paper, not knowing who I was. This industry was robbing my soul because there was an undercurrent of sexual innuendos. And so alcohol and drugs were everywhere. Boom. So and I like to party. So and Miami is, you know, it's like being in Atlantis. It's hot and water is there. There's beautiful people around and drugs and alcohol were everywhere. So I got pretty deep into that. And the catalyst for my awakening was, first of all, ruining my potential, which many people told me, even people I would drink with. And so and that's why if you ever have someone with addiction or anybody's watching this, you know, tell that person that you love them and that you're there for them. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. One of my best friends is still drinking to this day, and I can't believe he's alive. And a lot of my friends from that era are dead. And I also got to see firsthand with the whole trans movement, the homosexual community, the massive amounts of drugs and abuse that are that are in there. So when I comment on this and people have tried to cancel me many times for hate, but I have direct experience with this culture. And I just saw massive amounts of sexual debauchery and drug addiction and a negative feedback loop in that. And so so when I sobered up, when I decided to sober up, I found Vipassana meditation and I sat 10. And you just decided, woke up on a Wednesday, and you said, I'm going to reclaim my animal body, my senses, and my consciousness? Well, when I went to Alcoholics Anonymous, which I'm not a huge fan, there's some good stuff in there, but Step 11 sought through prayer and meditation, you know, found a different way or whatever the principle is. And I noticed the people that would talk about Step 11, they had a je ne sais quoi, there was something unique about them. and I would always talk to them afterwards. And then I heard about these meditation retreats or whatever, and somebody turned me on to, I was waiting tables in Los Angeles. I switched careers to the entertainment industry as an actor. And I was in L.A. I knew I couldn't build a business on being a drunk, and so I began my journey to sober up. It took about four and a half years, and somebody turned me on to Vipassana meditation, S. N. Goenka, these 10-day courses in silence. And I sat 11 of them in a span of about six years. At the same time, I was working with indigenous Maori healers from New Zealand. They would come through Los Angeles and they would work on the yoga community and many people in the healing community. And I witnessed miracles working with them. And about the same time, somebody turned me on to an herbal company from the Amazon rainforest. And so I started putting these powerful herbal plants into my body and they raised my frequency and vibration like I could feel them. And I've been studying herbal medicine since I was a model 35 years ago because I learned fasting, internal purification, juicing as a way to look and feel my best in front of the camera. So I've cleaned out my liver, kidneys, colon, my blood a couple times a year for the past 35 years with juice fasting, herbal detoxification, et cetera. So being exposed to these plants from the Amazon, I was like, wow, I could feel them. And then, of course, the Shipibo Indians were our vendors, and they are the keepers of ayahuasca. So I went down on a trip with the company and met them, and I was enamored and enchanted with the power of the rainforest. rainforest. And then, of course, I drank the ayahuasca and I had very powerful visions of the future of humanity. My family, certified health nut, was born in the Amazon and it's been unfolding for the last 20 years. My family, the spirit of my daughter came to me when I was down there. And then I saw mountains of sawdust leaving Iquitos. And I was like, oh, my God, there's our rainforest. You know, it's being cut down. And here's two by four barges that are going up to Home Depot. And I was just like, okay, all right. I have a responsibility as a man, right? You're blown open with the ayahuasca. You're in the Amazon. You're breathing that oxygen. Everything's teeming with life. And I made a commitment to make a difference in the world. And this is 2006, mind you. And 2009-11, I could see that there was something that was not right. And so I started to understand JFK. I think Oliver Stone's movie on JFK had come out maybe a few years previous to that. So I had already started thinking, like, what's really going on? And how does the world work? And Confessions of an Economic Hitman and John Perkins helped me understand the World Bank, the IMF loans, the Halliburton, the Bechtel, the government contracts, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. I started putting two and two together. Well, the biggest thing was I was flying high on ayahuasca, and I could hear a plane coming over from Brazil. I was deep inside the jungle backing up into Colombia. And I could hear this plane, and I'm thinking, that's a commercial airline. God, that's way up there. That's got to be like 40,000 feet. And then I just imagined, like, what's it like to be in Iraq and have the bomb gates open up and like you're raw, right? You're on the ayahuasca. Your heart is open. Like you're in the middle of the jungle. There's rustling in the leaves. Is it like an anaconda out there? Is a puma or something? Your mind starts playing tricks on you. And this plane is up there. And I hadn't heard a plane in weeks. And so my mind just started going. And this was right after the Iraq war. That started in 2003. So this is a couple of years later. And I was just like, what are we doing as a species? And then my mind came to George Bush and how everybody hated him. And then I realized it was all about love. And that only lasts as far as your heart's wide open. You're in the Amazon. You come back home and you see all the Matrix fuckery. And you're like, shit, man. And then you're navigating that. So that's kind of my awakening. And then everything you see on the Internet is like, how can you get people's attention without being Alex Jones, because I don't have Alex Jones's following or David Icke. And so how can you like wave the flag? And I was doing stand up comedy at the time at the comedy store on the Sunset Strip. And so I took all of that and I came back from the jungle with all this exotic footage and I started putting it up on YouTube. And so that was the beginning of my social media career and a good friend of mine won the Academy Award for Sling Blade and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. He's a big producer and we became friends and he was going to come back to the Amazon with me in the mid-2000s. Anyhow, he just did Cheech and Chong's last movie. I used to look up to him. Now he's looking up to me because the Hollywood thing has completely changed. And the small screen is really where it's at. And Hollywood's kind of just gone down. And so it's interesting how things shift. And so I'm very grateful to be alive. I'm an eternal optimist. And this is my come from to save the planet or get human beings healthy. Why? Because I live in it, right? And my children live in it. And 75% of the American people are obese or overweight. That was 62% when I started my YouTube channel, and that's exponential growth, short amount of time. 75% is close to 100%, and I'm part of the 100%. So I'm mission-oriented to save the ecosystem and the planet that I live in, and I truly believe that we can live in harmony and peace with each other and the environment through the scientific term biomimicry. Life creates conditions conducive for life. And so my mission is to raise human consciousness and change all systems. You can't change the systems if the consciousness is not going to support it. You start talking about a world beyond oil and a world beyond money. People are spending the money and driving around in oil-based cars and our whole life is based on this electrical grid. And so people can't even think outside of the box and you can't solve a problem at the same level of mine that created it. And so Certified Health Nut uses a lot of humor and all the tricks from, you know, the entertainment, James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, the Kardashian playbook, you know, so I'm doing my best without pharmaceutical. I'm not subsidized by the drug companies, right? Which, by the way, most industries, including real estate and all that stuff, I live in a medical destination here in Phoenix. This is all based on, you know, medicine. The whole neighborhood is subsidized by drug money. Totally. Totally. So I am a psychiatrist by training, so that means I'm pretty good at pattern recognition, right? So I like to study and observe these sort of like meta, these meta patterns. And a lot of what I see in the maturational journey, you could call it the hero's journey, archetypal journey, is a lot of pendulum swinging until eventually at some point in our process, probably at the stage of life you're in, there's this beautiful equilibrium that becomes available. So when I hear you talk about this awakening to your mission, to your purpose, to an awareness of your responsibility as a man in the world, I can see the pendulum swung from this very internalized focus of, right, like, how do I get the money, the women, the status, you know, this orientation towards your own needs and wants and drives, right? And then it started to swing and maybe even really catapulted to this externalized focus, right? So now you're aware of the ecosystem, you're aware of the collective at large, you're aware of the drive to start a family and begin to serve your family and community. And I wonder if you then experienced kind of the shadow and the perils and the underbelly of that extreme externalized focus. So what I see in a lot of these archetypal journeys, and this is why I love talking to you, because I do think there are particulars to a man's journey that are very different than my own orientation towards purpose and mission as a woman. So what I sometimes see is that as you awaken to your service-oriented role, what you can do for women, children, and the world, sometimes there a stage phase where you end up neglecting your own inner landscape because it easier to focus on the mission It easier to focus on maybe even the service business It easier to focus on how you're impacting the people around you, the evidence for that. And sometimes there can be an avoidance of some inner stuff, right? And sometimes where that shows up is in your intimate relationships, like let's say with your family of origin or your best friends or your partner, your spouse, and you can get called back to the inner focus, right? And then I think over time, there becomes this capacity to stay both inner and outer focused, right? Like in my study of hierarchical dynamics, BDSM, that sort of thing, I know that a good dom has one foot in his inner consciousness and one in attunement to her body, let's say, right? So that split attention is a maturational capacity, even in psychology, right? It's called the mixed object. You can hold the tension of opposites. You can be in both places. So I don't know if this makes sense, but I wonder as you sort of came back and you're lit up and you're like, you know, I got to save the world. If you encountered any of the reverb of that relationally and you were invited to begin to do a different kind of almost service work for humanity that involved emotional maturation and emotional self-regulation and looking at your role in relationships. This is what I experienced, right? And the shadow of activism for me for 10 years was that I got to focus on everybody else's vulnerability and my experience as myself as a particular kind of savior. And I got to avoid a lot of festering wounds in my relational reality. And until I sort of took responsibility for my inner landscape, which actually led me to this celibacy window I want to talk with you about. I don't know. I really could get a lot of my needs met in that external focus. But I think it's different for a man. I do think your external focus is where it belongs. Whereas for me, my internal focus is probably my greater locus. I do think that polarity exists. So I wonder if you encounter that. So you're coming back to America. You're lit up. You're ready to start serving in a more profound way. And how did it go? Those are great questions and observation as well. And so the pendulum swings both ways, always and forever. Being a father, husband, business owner, I didn't start my entrepreneurial journey till I was 40, right? I was still making money as an actor, as a model, as a human in front of the camera till my early 40s. And so there's always a lot to learn in those those paths. Business entrepreneurial path is spiritual path, family man, spiritual path. And so so when I came home, I had black mold exposure from 2010 to 2013. So that dredged my soul and brought up whatever darkness or whatever else needed to be exposed and big challenges with my health. so it dug deep into my emotional makeup for things that I probably hadn't dealt with. I put this in my book, Ripped at 50, A Journey to Self-Love. My real father dropped me off on the side of the road when I was 14 with all my belongings. My stepfather was put in an orphanage and whipped in front of the boys that he got brought into. And so all that pain and anguish, Like I experienced a lot of that stuff. Right. And so so unraveling that I'm still unraveling. I just did a body electronics event in Texas. And even though I was facilitating it, you know, I had one of the biggest breakthroughs out of, you know, 20 people. Right. And so the all these journeys that I've been on have been a spiritual journey, including my my marriage, my divorce. we got back together right around 2020. We moved to Sedona. Sedona will dredge your soul. The desert alone will dredge your soul. But Sedona, it was very powerful. It turned everything upside down. And, you know, it's been said, the people that are closest to you, those are your soulmates, because they are going to activate you that nobody else could, you know. And so there's been many heroes journey within the heroes journey and taking on so 2006 I come back from the jungle I wasn't married I wasn't even in a relationship and I saw the children in the rainforest and I was enamored with these big eyes and the innocence and the sensuality of the human beings down there I don't have nieces and nephews I don't have a family so I had never you know we got milk carton kids up in the United States. So people like helicopter and they're like, I'm down in the Amazon and there's these children looking at me and I'm buying them food and like, hi, how are you? It's like, wow. It's like, I want one of these when I get home, you know? And so I went from just being a single person traveling the world to really having that desire to have a family. And then the family is going to, you're going to go through all those processes. My children are 14 and 18 right now. I'm still going through that. And then the business is going to swing back and forth. YouTube, people used to make fun of me like, what are you doing on the internet? What is social media? And now I go back to L.A. and it's the biggest thing out there. And people know it, right? They still make fun of influencers. I don't necessarily like that word. You know, I'm a full-blown human being. and so with a huge mission and an incredible platform. So, and there's a lot of work that goes into it as well. So the hero's journey is all over my life. And now that I'm aware of that, you know, I'm still going through big challenges. Even the entrepreneurial journey is a beast, right? And so, and the amount of, you know, I studied Tony Robbins and Bob Proctor and success for many, many years, right? Working to crack my own code. It took me about 13 years to crack my own code. And then when my book came out and a little bit of fame came with that and a little bit more notoriety and some of my online courses were doing really well and we were doing advertising, I didn't realize that the banditos and the cucarachas were going to come out of the corners and try and rob me and utilize my platform and saddle up to me like I'm your friend. I'm here to help. And I just didn't realize that. And now and also women, this is part of the reason why I went celibate. And so somebody accused me of rape. And that and that that just that's heartbreaking, you know, and just the misuse. And that came out during like cancel culture and covid and everybody was the psyop. The mass psychosis started to turn on everybody. Now you see with Charlie Kirk, the psychological warfare is like, boom, Charlie Kirk presses every single button, every button, each way upside down. And it's like you're seeing this this mass psychosis at a full level expression. And so so I took all the wind out of the sails of any potential navigation issues. And I said, let me just work on myself. Let me see where all my emotional, where can I heal on this level? And let me just take sex out of the equation completely. And let me build relationships with women that aren't based on that. Also, let me not lead people on. You know, no kissy face, none of this stuff. Yeah, it's just not going to work. And then let me work on myself. It's not about other. It's not about any of that stuff. and what's going on with me as a reflection. And that has given me much more energy to dump into my family and my business, which both are the feminine family for sure, especially my children. I see the way of the world right now. My son's a virgin at 18 years old. Did he consent to be announcing that on my podcast? Pornography's everywhere. But the world got a little weird. And so I definitely want to be around my children. You know, I was on my own. So I was 14. I started hitchhiking when I was 12. And so I definitely want to be there, you know, for my children to help guide them. You know, I talk about feminism as well. And I know you do. Gloria Steinem was 1973. She worked with the CIA to get two people into the tax structure. Right. 1973. my mother didn't have a job my mother didn't have a job until 1979 and that and that was a hobby as we started becoming teenagers and so now since the housing crisis she's she's she's got to have a full-time job in her 80s just to survive so there you go women's empowerment right there right and so feminism and and it and it destroyed the family you know this whole abortion thing and women's rights. And look, I am for the empowerment and liberation of all human beings. But I will tell you between the pill and abortions, I mean, that is basically do whatever the hell you want. And there's no ramifications. Oh, bullshit. I got to tell you, any girl that I had an abortion with in my unconsciousness around sex, and that's why I'm happy that my children are making better choices. But any unconsciousness, no man sat me down. I don't necessarily sit my children down. They got to hear me no matter what. Dad, don't talk about that. I don't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? It's just like hookup culture's dead end road. I had abortions on my watch with my relationships. And so I talk about this because if we don't talk about it, who's going to talk about it? Right. And if I don't give my children guidance, then the pimp or the drug dealer or the, you know, these people and drug dealing is not what it was back in the day. They're putting fentanyl in marijuana and ecstasy and everything one and done. Right. So I have these conversations with my children completely openly and I hire them. I have Dallas sexual Kung Fu coaches in and around me. Lauren Johnson is actually, he was my ex-wife's teacher and he's amazing. He's one of Montauk Chia's top guys. And so he's my son's coach. And one of his students is my daughter's coach, counselor, whatever you want to call it. Somebody they can talk to that ain't me, right? Oh, dad, don't talk about that. Okay. Talk to your coach, right? And so I know I just talked about a lot, but all these conversations warrant our attention. You know, I talk about legacy and purpose for men. It's very important. Otherwise, they'll go around in circles. They'll drink themselves to death. They'll waste their potential. And I postulate that women having children is enough. We need to put that on a pedestal. I know because I played Mr. Mom. We had some challenges after the black mold situation. One of my businesses, the herbal company I worked with, kind of tanked, merged with another company. Stuff happens in business. And my ex-wife went back to her fashion job, which was being vaporized by Amazon.com. Her whole, and she hated me for it, but instead of working together, she's just like, She went back to something that she thought she could make money at. And I was like, I don't know what to do. I'm sitting on the Internet trying to monetize my business. This is 2010, 2011, 2012. And I had black mold. I didn't know. I had brain fog. My brain doesn't work. And I was like, well, at least I can take care of the kids. Like, I love the kids. I can take care of them. And so I played Mr. Mom. And let me tell you, no respect in that realm. because I was worn out. And then as soon as she came through the door, they just wanted mom. So I think mothering, nurturing and nourishing the children needs to be put up on the highest pedestal because family first is a principle that I like as well as the children are the future of humanity. So helping hold up the woman and changing the whole dynamic, the Federal Reserve, the feminism, the CIA, the whole slavery debt slave system. So I'm here to change all the systems, right? They're dysfunctional or they're functional at whatever level we're all living at right now. And 75% of the American people are obese or overweight. And 9 out of 10 Americans are metabolically dysfunctional. The number two killer amongst children, 14 to 21, is fucking suicide. So this warrants all of our attention. So I want to double click, Trey, on this procreative activation. I'm going to call it that. I'm going to brand it that. When you came back from the Amazon and something had been ignited in you around this father archetype, right? I believe that the sort of partner to the feminist agenda is actually the new age. a lot of sexual liberation. And you mentioned, you know, the pharmaceutical, the role of the pharmaceutical industry with the pill and antidepressants. I mean, it's a many headed monster. But there has been an evolution of dynamics in our species to where many of us are divorced from our procreative impulse, right? And I have a teacher, Omer Pani, who says to get the women of the female of a species to no longer orient towards her role as, a procreative vessel, to abdicate that responsibility is quite a feat, you have to say. What has been accomplished? So I want to hear from you what that felt like to feel it activated because I've come to observe that when a man... So I was talking to a male friend of mine, colleague the other day, and he's dating this girl, right? And he wants to become a father and get married and have a family. And he's hemming and hawing about, I don't know, she wants commitment, I'm not sure. And I was like, my sense is that a man who is in touch with his instincts, the first time that he interacts with a woman that he wants to impregnate? He knows, right? And that claim will come forth within, I don't know, two months, right? If he hasn't been instinct injured, if he hasn't been conditioned and programmed and divorced from his animal body, let's say. And I wonder if that was your experience, right? So you meet the to-be mother of your children, and you already had that activation of this procreative impulse, like, did you know, am I right? Did you know pretty much immediately that you were going for that? Or did you need some long courtship and to ask a lot of questions about whether this was right for you? I'm curious always about these initial dynamics where a man's healthy aggression can express itself and what we've done socially to suppress that in men, confuse men about it, and to otherwise even frame it as too fast, too soon, inappropriate, that it needs to be in some context of open dating for a year or two years, then you move in together and now it's been eight years and no commitment has been actualized, right? It's like super common. So I wonder what your experience was there translating that. Yes. So let me see if I can unpack it this way. And Charlie Kirk, I saw a clip recently about him saying, you know, the daddy daughter experience is very powerful and you are just enamored. Like I was enamored with my daughter. We're like this and you guide that life along and then you want to find the right partner for them and the man to take it to the next step and nurture and nourish that. And so procreation is prime directive. There is a reason why testosterone is so powerful in the male species, right? And to spread seed, I mean, this is life. This is life. And to accept this, and I've been saying this for many years, our primal nature, and then people are like, oh, but we're much more than that. And I'm like, really? Prove it. It's like we're dropping bombs on all sorts of people, right? So I think we need to come back to understand our basic biology and the basic animal aspect of a human being, first and foremost. And then when I came back from the jungle, first of all, I prayed and set my attention to open up my heart and connect with the divine feminine in all of its facets. Ayahuasca is known as the grandmother, the heart of the Amazon. It's like the womb just teeming with life in the Amazon. It's just breathing, living butterflies, dragonflies, anacondas, piranhas. It's just teeming with life. And I came home and looking at the babies and the children and the life down there. And I go, oh, it's time for me to start my family. So I was flipped on. And I was living in the city of Los Angeles, which a lot of young, beautiful women are there for their career. And the person that I had met, she was in a different phase and she was ready. and we were both ready. And they say you're never really ready. But also she was 36. And I do believe having children later on in life and witnessing her experience, especially with two children. She had my daughter when she was about 40. That can take a toll on a woman's body, especially doctors get their hands on you. Boom, there's some thyroid medication. I mean, she got postpartum. She got vertigo. And of course, and then being the health nut, she's only gonna listen to me so much, especially if she's spinning out, she's going to start taking the drugs. Luckily, they didn't take her thyroid out. However, that was their experience. And then all those drugs start dividing, conquer the male and the female. You add feminism to it. You add the working environment. You add, I wasn't completely tapped into my legacy. And this is why I teach young men legacy, purpose, dream as a prime directive, because if you don't know where you're going, you can just go around in circles. and you can hurt yourself and others. And I think having children is so important for women to really hold that up on a pedestal. So this is how I teach my students. And then all the health principles fall in behind that because you're going to need your health to live your purpose, to leave your legacy. And so it makes it much more simple to eat only organic food, to drink the purest water and to get good sleep and to move your body. These all become non-negotiables because your legacy and your purpose is there. And I didn't have this taught to me when I was younger. I studied with the great Paul Cech. He's my mentor. And he helped me understand this. And so one of the first things I do with my clients is, do you want to have children? because nothing is more important and more spiritually satisfying and emotionally and mentally hero's journey. It gets presented time and time again with children. And some people end up, you know, they deal with, there's a lot of autism out there. There's a lot of birth defects going on with the pesticides and the herbicides. And this ends up being very soul dredging for the parents of the modern day people. And so there's all these challenges that get activated. And I'm here to say that there's nothing more spiritually activating than having a family, than being a father, than being a mother and providing for the children. I've done so much healing work on my own lineage and my own upbringing that I realized, you know, it's all spiritual and i feel sorry for the all right i feel empathy and compassion for my parents my grandparents and for all the trauma that was inflicted on us especially coming out of the civil war the world war one the world war two the treaty of versailles the advent of the federal reserve these all wars are banker wars right so and we're still in the world wars it's called psychological warfare and bioweapons, right? So I've had to put, as a man, I've got, I've had to, what's, what is, what are we living in? What is this soup that we're living in? And so you look at the false flags of Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin and Chad GPT will tell you all this stuff If you have an unchanged language model or if you trained it properly It will tell you all this stuff because it all common knowledge There a lot of documents that are Freedom of Information Act that are all over the Internet And a good language model will scrub the truth. Right. And so so we're still dealing with this whole this whole like collective wound that we're coming through. And this is the gigantic humanities hero's journey. right with the the the journey of becoming well i like ram das he said you know we're all just walking each other home right and so how do we know the heights of joy if we don't understand the depths of pain this is the the taoist philosophical yin yang masculine feminine inhalation exhalation anabolic catabolic journey we are all on we don't sit there and say inhalation is better than exhalation. But right now we're being programmed like, you know, man bad, you know, woman rights, good and women feminism and and and all the sexual debauchery and being put up on a pedestal like this is mass confusion, mass psychosis. It's and I truly believe how do you wake up a human being? You oppress the shit out of them like the the shoot of grass that shoots through the concrete. And so I believe all this darkness and this pain is a catalyst for our own awakening into whether you call it homo luminous or whether you call it the fifth dimension or whether you call it the neutrinos from the central sun that are jostulating our frequency and vibration to, you know, activating the 64 codons of our DNA into the frequency of love and whatever's happening, we're going through this evolution. And that's my general philosophy. Otherwise, I'm a victim and I know better than to play victim consciousness. And so we are human beings. We're awakening to the next level. 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How do you orient towards it now? Are there things that you would have done differently had you appreciated it? Because maybe I'm projecting that's certainly my story in exploring the depth and profound nature of this potential contract, right? And having had no context for that. And of course, a lot of encouragement to just sort of like find myself and evolve my own spirit and anything that got in the way, you know, needed to be discarded. This is a lot of what the mercenary psychology that feminism, of course, engenders in women. And that's why we initiate, particularly college educated women, you know, 70 percent of divorces. It's us doing that. And so to understand that there is an experience of your own spirituality, there's maybe even experience of God that can be accessed through the primacy of that union. I mean, that was like totally anathema to my own consciousness. So I wonder how you orient towards marriage these days, just for the people and then for men specifically, and then anything you want to share about your own personal experience. Well, the basic tenets of my philosophy, and I like a fluid philosophy because the more beliefs we have, the more rigid we are. And so the basic tenets of my philosophy right now is avoid the state and state-run doctors at 100%, right? The commercial conduits as much as humanly possible. Maybe not 100%. And so the state-run paper, and I don't know how much you've delved into comment. comment. Yes, I should clarify that I don't mean marriage as a contract with the state. I mean, yeah, the covenant, you know, the covenant. I love that word when you used it as well, because this is something that I wasn't sat down as a young man and taught about this. I grew again. I grew up in the 70s. So free sex swingers swinging 70s. You know, the 60s was free love. You know, I'm a product of hate Ashbery. And even though I was younger during those years, That's the generation I came up in. So by the time I hit the 80s, and I think I lost my virginity, you know, 70s, 80s, right there at the cusp. And, you know, it was all about free sex and the pill and abortion. It was available. I think it's still available. And that was kind of the solution, right, of unwanted pregnancies. And so no one sat me down. and actually the time that i was exposed by any adults there was like a pile of pornography magazines over there so that's kind of that's the way i was reared right and then um through pornography and pornography wasn't on tap like it is now right like it's on steroids and that's why i do have these conversations with my children because pornography is everywhere right That's just a known, right? Because everything can be shared on the internet. And I know this because my children were at Waldorf, and Waldorf has a general zero policy on media. Yet one of the girls, one of the troubled girls in my daughter's class, you know, showed her, and then it ended up on the playground, right, at 10 years old. The conversation ended up on the playground. So I think being aware and not ignorant that this exists is very important. And then sitting down and teaching the children. Now, I'm a dad and there is no perfection, right? So I'm going to fall on my face as many times as I can. But I didn't learn this. And I grew up on the streets. I'm a little rough around the edges. So you get to hear it in the language I can present and ultimately have the least amount of shame and guilt. and to be able to teach my children, we're going to talk about this. It warrants our attention. And this is the best way that I can present it. I think it's amazing if you have children, because I want more children, and I want grandchildren. So if you find a man and you want to have sex, because sex is part of our animal nature, then that's understandable. but let's do it in a way that has more love and understanding and responsibility with it. With great power comes great responsibility. And my children are athletic, they're intelligent, they're beautiful. I'm like, you have a huge responsibility with all those talents at your disposal to not only exercise them, but also steward those energies in the right direction. And I keep my children close to me. That's the other thing. I don't do playdates. I don't do sleepovers. I mean, now she's 14. So there's a little bit of that, but for the most part, and then I'm building legacy and family office and all that stuff and trust and protecting everything. So you guys can stay here as long as you want. And then I plan on building a compound and whatever else and keeping my family unit tight because somehow we got all like freedom and individuality and like, and everyone, we see the way America kind of spread and the way it is right now. It's kind of, it's kind of disjointed. And so I think all that has values and I like to bring those values because I didn't have that. And I think it warrants all of our attention and I'm not trying to control my children. I'm offering them a platform that I didn't have. What do you see your role in your daughter's life at this point? Okay, so she's a teenager. What do you see your role as? Presence is numero uno, just simple presence. In fact, the best parenting book that I read, and most of them were shit, especially when they talked about weaning the child off and letting them scream in their crib. Crazy. And so most of the parenting books were just bogus. But the one that really resonated with me and stayed with me, they said that when the children are young, they don't understand language. And when they're older, they don't want to listen. So getting them close to your heart center, like physical, even sitting next to them and saying nothing, that resonated with me the most. And so that's what I do. Presence numero uno. And, you know, I'm the type of dad. I'll raise my voice, but that's not the relationship that I want with my children. I'm not here to argue with you. I don't like excuses. Everybody's got to clean up after themselves. Everybody's got to wash the dishes a couple of times a day. It's like this isn't an argument. This is life. And if I don't teach it to you now, you're going to learn the hard way out there. And so this is the way I parent. I parent like a father. Right. I don't give a shit about your excuses. Clean up your fucking room. Clean the toilet. Take a shower. Take care of yourself. Eat right food. You know, all these things, pretty pleased with the cherry on top, but do it or there's consequences or something. I'm not the best parent out there, but I'll tell you what I am. I'm present. I am there at 100% and I exude holistic principles. The body needs sunlight. The body needs movement. No, you can't sit around the house all the time. And no, you can't play video games all the time. And you got to take care of your dog and walk your dog and pick up the poop and all sorts of stuff, Right. The basic fundamental principles. That's how I guide my children. Can I ask you a pointed question? Just because I don't often have the opportunity to speak to, you know, somebody in your position who's not like in my direct life. Do you ever ask her just like how she feels? Yes, I have a tendency. I mean, the feeling thing. Thanks for the reminder. I have a tendency to check in with her. how's it going how was your how was your skating practice or your ballet or yeah it's funny because she's not as touchy-feely but i i'll wrestle her for a hug you know and so and i'm not that touchy feely either like don't give me the pleasantries or whatever let's just get down to the brass tracks and she's very similar like that so thank you for the reminder i wasn't meant to be i was just genuinely curious, actually. Yeah. You know, I guess I don't think in those terms, but I do ask her how her day is, how it was going. And the children have been trained to do that because sometimes they go, Dad, I want to go here. Dad, I want to go here. And like my day is like, it's like, OK, shut the fuck up. You know, leave me alone for a second. And it's just like, and then I'll take care of you. So they have slowed down as well. My son is amazing at this, too. Because if he wants something, hey, dad, how was your day? Subtle but powerful manipulation. Yeah. And it gets us present. And it's like, okay, hey, thanks for asking. And I trained him to do that as well. And so at the bare minimum, we do check in with each other. And like I said, I'm present with them. Did you eat? How do you feel? And I know you're on full-on dad duty. So I wonder how you orient towards the hierarchy of your priorities, right? So you talked about legacy. In my recent celibate window where I've awakened to my priority, relational priority as a mother, as a woman in dynamic with the humans in my life over my career, it's just relativized everything. So now the decisions that I make every day, the way I schedule my day, everything is just relaxed in a way that was very kinked up when my career was prioritized over my native priorities. But my perspective is, and I think I heard you say the same thing, that for a man, his mission actually is number one. And when it's not, it fucks everything else up, right? And so you talked about health and health consciousness as supporting your performance, really supporting your mission. But how do you balance that natural prioritization with your role as father or maybe even as husband? How does that work? So I imagine that it's actually, it seems more complicated to me to be a man who is on mission, connected to his purpose, but then also recognizing that your experience as a father and, you know, as a husband, your experience in the relationships in your life is also something that feeds you is also a priority. Like how, how does a man balance those, those dynamics? Well, it's ultimately what I teach my students, which is full embodiment and integration of ideas and all aspects of your humanity. So for example, when I'm out on the street. I work with an organic superfood company in herbs, and I've been taking herbs for 35 years. I'm a parent, a business owner. I love fitness. If I'm out on the trails here or at the gym, I'm not going to have a conversation about parenting or maybe even herbs in the moment. These are all a multiplicity of who Troy Casey is. And depending on our conversation, could just be like, hi, how are you? Not I'm a parent. I got kids. These are my parenting tips. So I'm fully integrated. And then I have all these conversations in my back pocket or in my presence. And it just depends on where I'm at in the moment. So I don't separate myself from any aspects of myself. And so does that make it clear? Yeah, totally. Totally. And I imagine, that the focus and attention that you do give to your mission, to your legacy, I love that word, is sometimes tough to balance with the attention and presence that you offer to your kids in the house. So family first is a principle that I live by, and I had to learn that through my relationship. and I love my ex-wife and I do wish we were together, but obviously this is the journey that we've taken. I'd love for them to have their mother around. And so, you know, I reclaim my side of the street, right? So no one's perfect. We all have. So there's that, but that's not the way it ended up. So in the meantime, family first, I do the best I can. and the children know that in this reality that we're in right now, you need these magical pieces of paper. And so I'm here. And if I have to go somewhere to work or I'm working from home, they understand all of that. And it's part of them. My legacy and my business is part of them. If I don't change the world, right, we've got glyphosate sprayed everywhere. We've got chemtrails. We've got the air, the water and the soil has all been contaminated. Dr. Zach Bush talks about, you know, 60 cycles of the soil that we have left. So if I don't change the world, if I don't activate human consciousness, they're just going to inherit, you know, some type of dystopia. And so I'm on mission. And luckily, I can work from home and I can have my own schedule that I want. So for me, it's all symbiotic relationship. There is no separation towards work and mission. But I will drop everything to assist them in whatever they need. Totally. I was just curious about, you know, in the context of all of these different roles that you're playing, what would you tell, let's say, another man you're coaching about the role of celibacy in a man's life? Like in a window, let's say, of celibacy. So I've already spoken about all my own pitfalls, abortions, hookup culture, porn mind. I had challenges with my ex-wife or we had challenges together with our own personality, emotional trauma, all these things. So let me work on myself. Numero uno. Let me dig deep down. Let me clean my side of the street. I also have a family. So and because of cancel culture and the way of the world right now and an experience that I had with meeting someone online and having consensual sex with them that I don actually need that in my life right now Let me focus on my children the family that I started Also let me conserve my energy and let me do my own inner work, which this warrants our attention. And I have clients that are my age and they're out there and they haven't cleaned their side of the street and they're having other aspects and challenges with their purpose, with their legacy. And we're getting clear that maybe a relationship when you're just hooking up, right? Dating has become synonymous with fucking, right? And so maybe it's just time to clean your side of the street. And maybe the relationship that you're having after your divorce, maybe this isn't where you need to be in your life right now. If it is, and again, people have this relationship, that relationship, this problem, that problem. Maybe let's reel it in. Let's focus on number one. Obviously, you're coming to me. A lot of people, especially older guys that have affluence and influence, they might not have their health. So let's work on your nutrition. Let's marry your nutrition. Let's go visit your farmers. let's get that on point at 100% because the food supply is all jacked up let's focus on that let's focus on your sleep let's focus on your movement right now let's get married to those attributes of your life maybe the relationship that you're having why are you in a relationship anyways you just came from a divorce you have a mountain full of problems from that from financial to emotional to maybe you never dealt with that, or maybe you cheated, or maybe, you know, so let's look at that. Let's do all the work, the internal work here. And sexual energy is powerful. Celibacy is going to give you massive amounts of energy. Most people I'm dealing with in these days and age are dealing with burnout, right? Elevated chronic, chronic elevated cortisol, which creates inflammation. Inflammation causes disease. And so let again, let's reel it in. Let's reel it in and focus and boost our energy. And so I just see that most relationships are just frigging waste of time. Like the next relationship that I get in, it's very clear. I choose to have children. Do you want that? Are you ready? Because that's what I'm going to do. And then we're going to go through some kind of dating mating process that's not going to involve involve the old mating process until I'm clear that I've done some work and it's being reflected back to me that I'm not repeating the old patterns that contributed to the breakup of my last relationship you know and I also know that perfection doesn't exist so I may have to get back in the game eventually just to kind of see where I'm at emotionally. And so I don't want to be totally trapped, but also I have the ability to create worlds, right? You know, we have the ability to create. And so this is some powerful energy. And so I'm going to make sure, you know, I'm going to want to do it with the right formula, if you will, when I try it again. So that's where my head is at. And I also believe that love is possible. And, you know, there's a woman out there that can feed my soul and vice versa. And there can be some symbiotic relationship. And also, I understand, look, I got caught up in feminism, too. I got caught up in this whole like I was living in L.A., the spiritual new age part of L.A. And it's like, oh, yeah, the divine feminine is all going to come and save us. And and then my my ex-wife was good in business. And I like, oh, oh, you're better in business than me. And then she's a mom. And oh, you're better with the children than me. That shit. The man has a role and the women have a role. Right. And so I got caught up in all that gobbledygook soup that. Right. Not having my true north guidance. Right. And I do believe I'd like to say that I think I heard the whisperings of all this in the religions. It's just the religions, again, watered things down and fucked things up a lot. Right. So I kind of just turn that stuff off. But I think the religions were right. Right. Marriage is a sacred union. It is a sacred covenant, making a family, sacred covenant, no fault, divorce, hookup culture, pitfall. feminism pitfall right yes women's empowerment but what's more empowering than having a woman barefoot pregnant making soup for everybody in the tribe like that's fucking luxury you want to talk about you want to talk about wealth like that is true wealth like i miss that if nobody makes food i don't eat and if i don't eat i got blood sugar problems and then everybody's got problems So there is intelligent design and balance in our world. And I think it's a good idea to bring ourself back to something. Remember this. Amen. All right. So one of the last questions I want to ask you is around failure, right? So it's my observation that as men mature and come into greater and greater alignment with their masculine power, they get pretty good at failing and they get pretty good at understanding the nature of failure, the responsibility that they can take for it and to sort of roll with it in with more nonchalance. Right. And that's not to say that it isn't a life defining shift. It's just to say that their ego self, their identity isn't necessarily wrapped up in every venture to the extent that if that venture goes a different way, whether it's literally a marriage or a business, they are like grasping onto it with white knuckles. So I wonder if you can speak to your relationship to failure and how it's matured over the years. Well, failure is the path of success, period, stop. And ultimately, you're either living or learning. So is it really failure? And I think one of our biggest psychological hangups is fear of failure wrapped also in fear of success, because nothing is more powerful than a made up mind and the subsequent experiences you have. Or what is that Marianne Williamson quote? And, you know, there's a huge responsibility in being completely strong, clear, conscious. And not everybody wants that level of responsibility. And so so there's all that. There's a lot of philosophy in the path to failure. I also like speed. Let me let me figure out that it's not going to work. I heard somebody told me a long time ago that Donald Trump would have like 20 assistants and he'd be like, all right, this is the project we're going to do. Okay, give me 20 reasons why it's not going to work out, right? All of them. I want them all on the table. And that makes sense. That's good because especially if you're doing a high-level business all the time like that, then you know that there is potential pitfalls. I think as, you know, I came from the New Age community or spiritual community, you know, wellness community, Los Angeles, Venice Beach. I think there's like, well, I'll just start a business. I'm just kidding. Here's my idea. And actually, let me change the name of my idea. Let me change it again. And let me change it again. And it's like just an idea. And like everybody needs this. So it'll just magically work out. Well, that's not how business works. Right. And so there's ideas and then there's execution of ideas or the action plan, not just ideas are a dime a dozen. That's what most people don't realize. And this makes sense because we're under psychological warfare in the industrial age school system that tells us to sit down, shut up, consume, conform and comply. and so and defer to authority so i've been training entrepreneurs for many years and it's very challenging for people to break out of their own poverty consciousness and then their ability to you know become an entrepreneur and now because the internet and ai people are being displaced in in work and you know we're all having to realize how to monetize ourselves in one way or another and the essence of business is to sell a product or a service so you're either going to sell your product or someone else's product in either your service or somebody else's service. And the essence of business is to solve a problem. And so, yeah, the path to success is failure. That makes a lot of sense to me in practice, obviously. It can be challenging to remember in the moment. I wonder if I can ask one final thing, which is around the identity that a man might hold as a healthy, holistically oriented guy, right? And the fine line between taking personal responsibility for one's health and wellness as a man, because you've been in this game decades, okay? So taking personal responsibility for it and also holding the energy of fragility, right? Because I was schooled by my daughter when she was like a tween. And I'm this health freedom activist and very rigid about dietary stuff. That was probably the biggest neuroses in our household, things that we didn't eat kind of a thing. And then one day my daughter said to me, mama, you're afraid of so many things, whether it's like the EMFs or the chemtrails, whatever. And I was humbled in a way that a thousand sips of ayahuasca couldn't have delivered to me because I knew that she was reading my animal body and there's no amount of wordsmithing that I could have offered to convince her otherwise. So then I really woke up to the reality that I think in a lot of the health and wellness world, there is a lot of fear that's driving this grasping at control. A lot of holistic mothering is just greenwashed, hierarchical authoritarianism. So anyway, I chilled out, softened up a lot. And sometimes now when I interact with men in the field and they're very rigid about their self-care principles, about their diet or whatever, it reads to my animal body as, I don't know, like frail. I don't know, like fragile, right? How can we embrace responsibility for this human vessel not taking the bait of so many toxic influences and to recognize that it matters without drifting into the realm of belief that says the body is easily corrupted, the body isn't resilient. You need to be super careful. You need to watch out for everything because not only does that probably have effects internally, but I think even across the man-woman dynamic, it reads a certain way to women, right? when men in the wellness space are encouraged to be really fucking neurotic about their biological inputs. And I think that's why a lot of the way you represent it, it feels fun and celebratory and even kind of like, I don't know, like goofy in ways. You're playing around. And so there's a lightness that comes with the reality of why you're ripped at 60. You're going to need a a sequel to the book, that is a result of your lifestyle and your choices. Right. So do you understand what I'm saying? Like, how do you how do you balance personal responsibility, the seriousness and importance and relevance of these lifestyle and wellness decisions around your health with a kind of neuroticism that can potentially translate as I'm actually quite frail and weak and I need to be very rigid about what it is that I'm doing with this body? This is a very nuanced topic. And we lost nuance in dialogue over the years. And so I teach my students, do the best you can without going neurotic. Neurosis is a mental disorder. And so and then but let's not bullshit ourselves. Right. Because, first of all, we have bioaccumulation of toxicity and biochemical individuation. Right. So everyone's expression is going to be different. A healthy body is a sensitive body. We are only healthy to the degree the environment is healthy, and we've trashed the environment with industrial waste and now the bioweapons and also the frequency wars that we have. Hydrogels are showing up in the blood. Dr. Edward Group is photographing that. Synthetic red blood cells. It's going on. And the nanobots and the machines are interfacing with the biology. So and then you've got phthalates. I get sick being in an Uber and an Airbnb. So I don't do Airbnb and Uber. I don't go there. I had to get into a tussle with my housekeepers six times. I told them no. No ties. Just no chemicals. And here's all the replacements, the vinegar, the borax, the baking soda and seventh generation. and all the other. And they didn't respect me. And it wasn't cheap to get my house cleaned as well. So I had to fire them. And I got back to washing them myself. Right. So there's the balance, right? You're always nuance and balance. And so it's healthy to be healthy. The problem is, is that we've trashed the environment. And then most people are completely unaware. Yeah. Tide iPods, phthalates, air freshener. What is that? Floor cleaner, Favoloso or something? Oh, yeah. Yeah, and the yoga studios clean the stuff with that. And then you go into these 15-minute cities. We have the Optima here in Kierlin and Scottsdale. And you go into the yoga room, and it's all cement. It looks clean. And they've got this thing that sprays strawberry out of the hole. It's like you're in a prison, right? And they're just poisoning you. slow bits of poison. So if you want overexposure to this type of stuff and you don't want to assist your body with nutrition, as Hippocrates said, let thy food be thy medicine and the medicine be thy food. And we used to hunt and gather and we'd gather roots, barks, berries, herbs, right? This used to be part of our nutrition. And we've gotten so far away from that with our domesticated food supply. But if we get back to the basics and we utilize these ancient principles and we're living in the modern world, I don't advocate living next to a cell phone tower. That may be the reason why you have cancer. I don't know. You're going to have to assess that. Get your Geiger counters and whatever else. The respiratory issues or the pneumonia that you have may be from black mold that's in your house. I don't know. But you're going to have to assess that. And your toxic load is going to differ from the other person. And so do the best you can without going completely neurotic. But here's the thing. Nine out of 10 Americans are metabolically dysfunctional. And cancer is one in two prostate cancer men over 60. There's a high percentage that you're going to die from that. And so all of this warrants our attention, not our neurosis. And so we're only healthy to the degree we're conscious. And we're only conscious to the degree we are healthy. And last time I checked, statistically, people are not healthy at all whatsoever. I go to the gym. I see half-naked bodies in their bathing suits. People are not healthy. It's rare. And when I do see a healthy specimen, I interview them. Hey, what's going on? What are you doing? And a lot of the fitness that we see are from fit, sick people injecting steroids and peptides and doing all this biohacking stuff. But they're not telling you it's drugs, a la the liver king doing $12,500 worth of human growth hormone and steroids a month, right? That's how you get that aesthetic. And I'm here to tell you that all the fitness influencers you follow, especially the women, are on drugs. Microdosing Ozempic and all this other nonsense and lip fillers and Botox and all that stuff. And the makeup is toxic. And this is the truth. This is not neurosis. This is the truth. And so if you want to be, I mean, just go follow Pamela Anderson. Didn't she have somewhat of an awakening on all her plastic surgery and makeup and fakery phonery that she was utilizing? And so people go through this journey. So stop bullshitting yourself. And this isn't neurosis and start moving you and your family away from the poison. How else are we going to change this world? If we don't hear the clarion call that's been going on and start voting with our dollars, we see what happens when the circus comes to town. We see that the World Economic Forum and their 15-minute cities and making you eat crickets and bugs and stuff like that and getting your poison injections, your nanotechnology, and normalizing sexual dysfunction and all these other things they're shuffling down your throat. Well, that's the norm. So J. Krishnamurti said, it's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. And that's what we have here today. So wake up to the nuance and who do you want to be? I want to be an animal, right? I am an animal, right? Connected to the divine, right? I don't need a religion or any kind of conduits to connect me to the source. I'm already there, right? I'm flipped on as a human being. So I don't want to dim my light for other people's dimming the light. And I found the golden blonde Oreos in my daughter's underneath their cabinet today. And I'm not going to like, what am I going to do, ground her? No, but I'm going to be like, what are you shoveling that garbage into your pie hole for? You have a period and you don't have to feel like shit when you get your period, you know, so you may want to monitor what you're eating to help balance yourself out and take a hot Epsom salt bath on top of it and stay home from school. That's no problem, right? So it's called balance and nuance for a reason. Hopefully we can make it fun and attractive and alluring to live this way because otherwise our kids' generation will absolutely call bullshit on it, right? And I think that's part of that nuance is to hold, like you're saying, to hold the lightness with the real talk and to not generate a taboo and all the energy of that out of the normie choices, out of the golden Oreos. It's so funny. Yeah, to quote one of my students, David Daigle, he's out of Texas. He's amazing. He does the conscious language. And, you know, I choose to make this fun and easy. Only love touches me. My love wins. I shine like 10,000 suns. I forgive for no reason at all. I'm a walking ball of forgiveness. And on and on and on. I am, I can, I have, I choose, I will. I'm here to take it all, baby. Right? On that note, Troy, where can people find you and what you're up to, what's alive for you, and yeah, what you're offering these days? Yes, I have an online community called The Real Ones where men and women get brass tacks, not only with my student teachers, but also with me each and every week. And there's massive amounts of content, all based in holistic health and nutrition. And so we do Qigong and meditation. And so that's The Real One. It's on the Circle app. It's on my website, CertifiedHealthNut.com. I have a free gift for everyone. We have a free health assessment as well as my nine pillars of health that I put in my book, Ripped at 50, A Journey to Self-Love. If anybody wants a digital copy of this for their Kindle that is one of your podcast followers, we'll be happy to send one out if you just send us a message through my website, certifiedhealthnut.com, or find us on Instagram. or even on TikTok, even though I'm not allowed on TikTok. I have a tendency to get kicked off of there. So, but we're over there. We're everywhere on the internet and I've been on YouTube since 2006. So Certified Health Nut, branded across the internet. Thanks, Troy. Namaste