169: The Science of Coherent Water | Mario Brainović

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And if you want someone to run the numbers of your specific situation, book a free call with my friends Josh and Ken over at kellybroganmd.com forward slash whole. Hi, and welcome back to Reclamation Radio. I am Dr. Kelly Brogan. And today we are talking all things water and specifically the power of coherent, structured water to elevate your, your not only biological vitality, but your energetic and dare I even say spiritual harmony and how easy it is for you to access this in your own daily ritual. I sit down with Mario Branovich, who is the founder of New Earth Technologies, a company that offers something called the Ennelema Wand. I'm going to demo it for you right here. It is this crystal wand that you use to literally just swirl your water. And that may sound nuts. However, he has many, many years of research to validate the specific claims that this technology has the capacity to transmit, inspire, and offer coherence to the water that you drink and what that does for your biology. It's measurable. It's, dare I say, proven. It's incredible. And I love to progress the conversation beyond. Can we just not even talk about how contaminated and dirty and polluted and horrible all of the water is and how essential it is to purify it? Okay, yes, it is. And what if that water holds the imprint of all the contaminants because water is informational and it is alive. And we can establish such a beautiful and elegant connection to it in this simple way. It gets to be easy. So because you're going to want to have one of these in your home, you're going to be very excited to learn that it's less than $200. The link is in show notes. And my specific code is KVMD for 15% off. This is a really, we went really deep and I was not expecting this conversation to be as profound as it was. But I think that's an indication that there is so much vital reclamation available in our relationship to the water that we drink and bathe in and interact with in our daily lives. So I hope this is as inspirational as it was for me, for you. Enjoy. Welcome, Mario, to the show. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I never get tired of telling this story. I've been on 130 podcasts about this, but this is such an amazing and important story. So thank you so much for having me. I think it's the perfect timing for me, actually, personally, to have this conversation. And I know that the folks listening have probably been exposed to 8 million different opinions about what water is and what the importance of it is, whether this particular kind is healthy or that particular kind. And I'd love to, and I know you're a game for it, to elevate the conversation into what I experience as a really inspirational, exciting, and expansive conceptualization of water and how we can really dance with it. So I've been, you know, we were talking about our many, many points of overlap. I've been surrounded by water geeks for many, many years. Like, you know, scientists and researchers and clinicians who believe that the key to understanding even what it is that we're doing here as human beings lies in our understanding of water. I've also come from the lifestyle medicine world where having exquisitely filtered water and drinking a certain amount is essential. I've also really fucked myself up with a water fast. So I've had all different touch points. But I have for as long as I, when I was a Pepsi drinking pizza and McDonald's girl, I have been, ask anyone in my life, a huge water snob. Now, what that used to mean is that I would never touch tap water. So I was raised in New York, in the New York area where there's a fetishizing of the tap water. And people would talk about how delicious it is. And meanwhile, I just saw the fumes coming off it of the chlorine or whatever else. Anyway, and so I never used to drink tap water, not because it was healthy, but because on a sensory level, it was just gross to me. And so I used to joke with my friends and even my daughters will tell you this. You can line up seven different types of water, blindfolded, I could tell you what is what. I am the same. I am the same. I totally get you. People like it wine. For me, waters, you can line them up and there is an extraordinary difference in taste and feel of the water even. Yes, exactly. So I've had that appreciation from a very basic matrixy level of nuance and sophistication, I have understood there are differences in different kinds of water and that tap water probably isn't as appealing to me as like an Italian spring water, let's say. And so when I started to interact with my former partner, I was extremely passionate about water and Gerald Pollack's work. And when I started to understand, okay, well, there's there's the same dimensionality that we see in the rest of reality, right? You have the 3D material realm, and then there are these, you know, etheric energetic dimensions that you can become more attuned to and more sensitized to perceiving. It made sense to me that there's more to the story of water. But then I found myself getting quite neurotic about even structuring water. So I've had an Ophora whole house system and a water station for many years. And for those of you who don't know, and I know you know, it's like vortexes the water over a rose quartz crystal. And then, you know, of course, it's reverse osmosis and remineralization. And then it's ozonates the water rather, and you get this like crafted, you know, artisanal water out of your home. And then I would start to feel almost like scared to touch a tap water if I was traveling, you know, on the table. So there's that neurotic arc that I have explored in so many different dimensions. But what I want to showcase today is really like, first of all, what we can do, what's very, very accessible and easy to do. And I find myself falling back in love with the research and the scientific evidence for what it is that an dilemma represents. Because I've really left that behind because I come from the world, right? And thank you for humoring my soliloquy here. I come from the world of conventional science and then radically holistic science. And I know that you can prove anything with any study, like literally. So it's not as valuable to me. I actually don't care very much about research anymore. I don't. And I also know how difficult it is to isolate a single variable in this very complex environment of stimuli. And I don't know how we could ever really determine cause and effect, which is always what we're after. So that being said, when I've gone into the study of the research that you all have done over many, many years, it lights me up with inspiration because I feel like this is the marriage of the proof, the evidence that some part of my mind still wants. and the beauty of how much more to the story there is than just clean, healthy water. So I'd love for you to just sort of bring us back to the moment in your life because you've had an entrepreneurial hero's journey. And bring us back to the moment in your life where you fell in love with this concept as well. Like there's something beautiful, there's something life-giving, there's something inspirational here. And I want to be a part of inspiring others. Because I don't even know how much it's like solving a problem. Yes, for sure. I believe that NLMA has the capacity to solve big, big, big problems the world over, whether it's in agriculture or just, you know, human health. And I think there's like when I've listened to you speak, I feel that sort of like, and this is just life-giving. This is just exciting. It's inspiring. And it's beautiful. Can we all acknowledge the beauty and let me help you do that? Anyway, so that's sort of like the poetic feeling I get from this work. And I'd love to sort of start with, before we dive into really the details of what I'm talking about, and you have to share, what was that moment where you decided, yeah, this is what I'm going to devote my time and attention to? This is the path for me. This is really, really interesting. I was always super passionate about health and wellness. So I always knew that our bodies were created perfect, that there is this innate healing ability of the body to basically do anything. And I was always very passionate about finding ways to assist that natural process in a powerful way. This actually led me. I opened the natural pharmaceutical company, which I ran for years, and I helped thousands and thousands and thousands of people. And I loved every second of it because, you know, when you bring people back to help, I really don't think that there is... And it really kind of fulfills you from within. I loved every second of it. I ran the company for 10 years or so, and I decided that it was time to move on. And I sold the entire business to Walgreens. And then I was kind of thinking, I want to immerse myself in something that is really something for the highest good of all. Something that helps people, that helps animals, that helps plants, that helps environment. And as universe would have it, I got introduced to Dr. Eric Larker, who is the inventor of NLMA. But there is one much more interesting story that I'm going to share with you, which I'm not really sharing on podcasts at all, how all of this actually came about. I got the inclination of this year and a half before I even got introduced into all of this. My wife is an intuitive. She actually had a visitation by Archangel Michael 15 years ago, which completely and dramatically changed her life. And from that moment onwards, she has this constant communication and she's receiving all kinds of insights. And I don't know, should we go into all of those details? But anyhow, she had, let's say, sort of a communion with Jesus. And he was telling her about how incredibly important water is. And not only that, she saw like a vision of swirling. And there was a crystal involved and swirling in the water. And at that time, I was thinking, should I maybe kind of do something, create something? And I was thinking, should I create some sort of a bottle or something? I don't know. We didn't kind of know. But it was a very, very, very powerful and a very clear inclination. And interestingly, when I got introduced into the Analema Project, and when we saw what it was all about, we made a connection. That's incredible. Yeah, it really, and there are... Not only because it's also such beautiful polarity with your woman just tapped in, you know, tapped in and inspiring your action. I mean, that's how beautiful marriages really do work. And you're honoring that and then recognizing it out in your three-dimensional reality. That had to be an extraordinary, like, goosebump level moment for you. I'm getting it now. I mean, like, goosebumps all over. Because it really is special. And, you know, continuously, my wife has these really deep, deep, deep insights because she gets downloads and she sees so many things. So I'm super grateful to have that in my life. You know, it really is a powerful thing that I can always lean into and lean on and also kind of be checking to my truth. And so that we resonate in the same way. And then, you know, doors open. And that's why we know that we also receive that from her, like that Mother Earth is the hidden voice of this project. Because water intends to be in this very particular state. And if water is in this particular state, it can... This was how nature intended water to be. Because the power, the effect it has on basically any biological system. And we tested it on humans, on animals, on plants. And there are phenomenal environmental effects as well. So anything it touches actually has a profound profound profound benefit So that why you know I super happy and grateful to be a part of the project And not only that I just want to do its justice I want to do everything in my power to send the message out so everyone can understand it. I mean, this whole project is 17 years now in the making, 50 plus scientists over three continents. So just like I mentioned, we didn't want to stop just on, you know, sensory or like feeling there is something important there. We realized and we knew from the get-go that we need to scientifically validate this and also scientifically validate beyond any doubt. That's why we're investing so much into science. In the beginning, we actually picked up a whole lab by famous German scientist, Dr. Fritz Albert Popp. He developed this technology that can capture biophotons. So biophotons are these tiny particles of light that every living system exudes. The more biophotons biological system exudes, the more vitality it has. This is just one small part of it. But interestingly, in the beginning where we watered plants with anilemon water, we realized that plants exude between 60 and 200 percent more light just after watering the plants with anilemon water. So this was our first inclination. Okay, there is something biologically remarkable happening here. And then all of the research actually happened after that. And I want to get into the mitochondrial research and the microbiome research. And also just as I'm listening to you, I feel this like metaphysical inspiration because there's the idea a lot of us carry that we have fucked things up. We've damaged and destroyed, you know, Mother Earth. And now we have to fix it, right? And I don't love that story. I lived in that story for a while in my health crusading even, right? Like something is wrong and it needs to be right. And as you're speaking, I'm feeling like, no, this is actually exactly how it was always meant to be because the delight of recognizing the relationship that is available with something that formerly seemed material and collapsible into just a three-dimensional realm is exquisite. There's something about this discovery that feels like a reflection of the aliveness that we have. So we can only perceive the aliveness, let's say, we'll call it that, in something else in as much as it's a reflection of the aliveness that we have. Do you know what I'm saying? So it's like we've had to come into our bodies as humans to the extent that we can perceive that everything has some degree of relevance, meaning, animation. I mean, I even think about like, you know, I have friends, for example, who in their childhood remember like abusing their own pets. This is a random example. And if you don't, if you're not in your body, if you're not coherent in your own life force, You can't perceive value, respect, honor, and delight in the life force really that is around you. That's where dehumanization comes from. It's where abuse, violence, non-consensual domination comes from, right? But as we are remembering our own vitality and developing a relationship to our own lives, like our own life force, we have this opportunity to see that it's all around. And, you know, they'll probably touch on this, but Veda Austin and her work, she's been on the podcast. I'm sure many people listening have been inspired by her as well. Like she was a huge part of my appreciation of the potential relationship, right? Because there's pure water, there's clean water, there's healthy water even. But then there's a relationship with water that requires not only just a custodial dynamic where you're taking care of it, but you're also receiving and being reflected your own life force. So that's like a bit of a flourish, but I think also tees us up to what is coherent water? Like what is structured water? What is the point of this? But I call it technology, which is distinct from cleaning the water, right? We're just going to assume we're already working with sufficiently clarified, purified water. But there's so much more to it than that. And that's where you come in. So how can those listening who maybe have a loose concept of it, how can they understand what water is? So we realized in our research that water currently exists in what we call a chaotic state. So it's still H2O. But H2O molecules, they actually move randomly. They're crashing into each other constantly. But since all of this is happening on an atomic level, nobody's really aware of that. There is a way where water can enter into a state of unison with itself, where it can enter into a state of liquid crystalline state. Colloquially speaking, those same chaotic H2O molecules, they start joining hands. And they literally enter into a state of unison. Through this unique process, water becomes alive. It becomes empowered. Actually, in this particular state, it can do a lot within our biology. To kind of try to explain to people in a simple way the concept, for instance, if you take a light bulb of five watts, it will give you some light. But if you take five watt laser, so it's the same power, but it's a coherent focused form of light. You can drill a hole through your table. So it's the same power. It's just the form. And it's the same thing with water. You know, Nikola Tesla, I would say one of the greatest scientists of all time, he said that the secrets of the universe, if you want to find the secrets of the universe, it's in energy, frequency, and vibration. And why the water is at the very heart of it? Because water is a broadband absorber, receiver, and transmitter of energy, frequency, and vibration. And interestingly, when you look at our bodies, 70% of our body mass is water. But when you look at it from the molecular point of view, 99% of all of our molecules are actually very light water molecules. We only have 1% of heavy other molecules than water. If you can imagine we are more water than the ocean. Ocean has 97% water molecules. That off the bat tells you that there is something extraordinarily important about water. We were basically very clever H2O walking around and we're completely unaware. So the water we drink plays, it's the most fundamental level of our existence. If you change that, your entire biology follows. I actually believe that consciousness merries form through water. Water holds memory of everything that happened to us through eons of time. And it's totally unique to every single one of us. And interestingly, you mentioned, I believe before we start or now, Gerald Polak, which I really love. He's a great, great guy and a great friend to our project. We realized that his easy or exclusion zone water is actually different than LMA water. So you can imagine what kind of variety water can exist in. So not just gaseous or liquid or ice. We're talking about worlds hidden within the water as a medium. So it really is an extraordinary, extraordinary, extraordinary thing. And just so we know, we barely scratched the surface of the science of this. So we're going in various directions. And wherever we go, our minds are literally blown. So it has to be kind of triggering for you when people talk about water as just like hydration, right? Like you just have to, you're dehydrated if you don't drink it, and you're hydrated if you get your two liters because you are coming at it from the depth perspective that says it's animating, it's vitalistic, it is offering the system, the literal light and energy that we call, yeah. So maybe we can start with what actually is the analemma method for inspiring structure and coherence in the water that... I loved how you framed this. I loved... Literally, I love... My marketing hat is on. No, no, not in terms of kind of marketing, but... It's really true, though. And actually what happens, you literally nailed it. Since when we realized in our research that water is always going to pick up the most dominant frequency of its environment. When we realized that, our whole quest was to create the most dominant positive frequency water there is. Because we knew if we would expose any other water to it, all the water would become exactly like it. because water always picks up the most dominant frequency of its environment. Right. So you have a vision of like, I have a vision of like some big machine that you have to pour your water into, but it's quite the contrary. Right. Okay. So go ahead. No, it actually takes us one full year to create what we call now the mother water. And, you know, it involves sacred geometry, precious metals. It involves lightning, if you can imagine. And once the water passes fifth stage, it never goes back to chaos. This is the main difference because we tested most of structured water devices, and they actually do something. But the water stays in this particular state anywhere between a couple of minutes and a day and a half. Then water molecules break, and the water goes back to chaos. With NLM water, it doesn't happen. So you're talking about like a vortex kind of machine? Yeah, vortexing. There are magnets. There are crystals. There are various ways, and they do actually do something. But actually, it's very short-lived. So it doesn't have the stability and the water molecules break and water goes back to chaos. As I mentioned, with NLMA, that doesn't happen. Now, we've tested it now nine years, I believe, every single year. And it never goes out. And even we were one of the first scientists that realized that EMFs, especially 5G, has very detrimental effect on water. And we are water, so that also kind of tells you something. We were one of the first to realize, for instance, if you take a glass of water and put it next to a Wi-Fi router, you're really damaging that water. And when you drink it, all of this actually goes into you. I mean, I can share just one pretty dramatic study that we did. We actually took rainwater and we radiated it with 5G, very close range. This is not like from far away. we really radiated close range. And then we watered plants and all the plants died in a very, very short period of time. So that's very dramatic to observe. We were hoping that it's not going to happen in that particular way. But anyhow, we repeated the experiment where we did exactly the same thing and then we just took the analima wand and we swirled through that radiated water and we watered the plants and the plants thrived. Not only that they didn't die, they actually thrived. This is the power of this water. And it also tells us something. Again, there is something extraordinary here that we are not really aware how things work. We actually proved the same thing. We were, again, one of the first scientists to prove that when you use your cell phone, it's going to have a negative effect on your biology. We tested it actually through brainwaves. We put QEEG equipment on people's heads. Then we gave them a cell phone to use for three minutes. And we monitored their brainwaves in real time. And immediately, every single person that uses a cell phone for three minutes, there is an immediate disturbance in the brainwave patterns. And it's not even subtle. And interestingly, then we did, we actually just gave an animal water to some and regular water to some to see whether something would change. and people, participants of the study that drank regular water, we saw zero change in their, again, this negative effect persisted for one hour, actually. But almost as soon as the participants studied, they took a couple of sips of NLM water. There was an almost instant better connection between the left and the right hemisphere of the brain and almost instant harmonizing effect on the brainwaves. It happened so fast that we were actually surprised. This inspired, we did a double blind study on brainwave patterns where we took like a golden standard study where we took two genetically identical twins. So we put QEEG equipment on their heads. Doctor administered the water, didn't know which one was which. And twins didn't know which one was which. They just took a couple of sips of water and we monitored their brainwaves in real time. And again, the twin that took regular water, we saw zero change in brainwave patterns. Everything stayed the same. while the twin that took, again, just a couple of sips of NLM water, almost instant better connection between the left and right hemisphere of the brain, almost instant harmonizing effect. And there is this thing called delta coherence that happened that usually people get when they meditate or they're using psychedelics. So this was really powerful effect, powerful proof that something biologically remarkable happens. Three weeks later, we repeated the experiment and we gave anilineal water to the other twin. And we saw exactly, again, copy-paste, exactly the same phenomenon while the other twin experienced nothing. So these are the proofs, the scientific kind of, which really, it was really mind-blowing to witness because that's where we knew that this water is an electromagnetic phenomenon because it literally happens that fast. So it's not like, okay, you drink something, then it enters into your system, then it has biological effect. This was almost immediate. And we are electromagnetic beings. That's why, you know, when you witness that so fast, we knew that there is something really, really special there. And I wonder if you're too far into this to recognize how crazy it sounds. I know. I know. I'm 100% aware. I want to break it down because, you know, obviously those, you know, who followed my work know I am very passionate about the placebo effect. And it's not that I would ever dismiss or disregard that. I value it. And I think when you believe that something is happening, it is happening. And I also appreciate deeply the regulation of independent variables so that you actually can assess what is driving an effect. And that is the science. I mean, there's so much more scientific research than you've mentioned, and I do want to touch on more of it. But that's what you've spent 15 years, 17 years, you know, engaging is like, how can we parse out some of these potential drivers of effect to isolate the power of the coherent water that is in this mother water that is in the NLMA wand? and with a great degree of confidence say, all you have to do is swirl this in. Swirl this. I want to show whoever's looking on video. This is what it looks like. It's just this beautiful little wand. And all you have to do is literally this. You expose the water in, let's say, a glass by swirling it around. What, for like a minute, minute and a half? Well, it depends on the size. Let's say it's a little glass. A little glass, let's say 30 seconds. Any, you know, when you swirl it, any H2O, chaotic H2O molecule that comes into close proximity to the mother water, it will start to mimic its exact state and structure. So in 30 seconds, you literally get a glass of mother water inside. Yes. And so what you're telling us is that not only does it stay in that state for as much as we can tell forevermore, It stays in that state. And it also near immediately impacts your bioenergetics to afford you more vitality through contact with this water, right? Because otherwise we are drinking water thinking, and I've been through the whole thing with water. Like again, I told you I did this water fast. I drink three liters a day, like sort of berating and flagellating myself that I'm not drinking enough water. I should be drinking much more water. I must be dehydrate at all And then I talked to Tom Cowan about water and he says you drinking too much water you diluting all your minerals And now I unsubscribed from all of the health edicts around it And for me when I swirl my water, not only do I feel some, again, like Veda Austin-y kind of touch point, like, hey, hey, let's dance. I don't know. It feels like that. It feels like let's make this more intentional contact, but also I don't want to be spending like, I'm not inspired enough to spend like 20 minutes doing that. So it's the fact that it's like 30 seconds or 90 seconds, depending on how big the container is also works for me to just have that like little moment of inspiration. And to imagine that then what I'm drinking is not just hydration. Like it's an energetic, you know, imprint. It's an education. I couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, just this kind of small ritual which you take with yourself, where you are literally being intentional with your water, just that stopping for a second changes your entire life because you're being intentional with yourself, with your life. You're checking in with yourself, with life. And just doing that for three, four, five, ten times a day literally can change your life. So it really is a beautiful thing. But the other thing that is empowering about it is, so you mentioned 5G. When it comes to chemtrails and 5G, I've gotten so far down the inquiry rabbit hole that I'm actually not certain that anything we're told about these big picture, scary variables that we cannot control is true. From the governmental powers that be side or from the activist side. I'm really in a suspended place of like, I'm just not sure. And so I've been focusing for many years on what I can control, what I literally can control. Do I turn my Wi-Fi off at night? Yes. Do I worry about 5G in the world? Absolutely not. Okay. No, I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. That's the only healthy, insane way to live where we live. So it took me a long time to get here. And what I love about this particular intervention is it allows you this inspirational, beautiful way to powerfully control something that otherwise would feel out of, what are you going to RO the 5G out of your water? You know, like, no, you're not. So to have a point of like a counterpoint, right, like a counterbalancing to something that otherwise feels out of your control, you know, in terms of EMF pollution, let's just generalize, is also very like harmonizing. It feels, yeah, it feels like a mature response to the reality while there are, you know, people on the ground making changes. And I do want to talk also about some of the big picture changes you are involved in when it comes to shifting the narrative on what we can control and can't control. So anyway, it's a very, very beautiful thing. So you have isolated this variable in a controlled trial, right? Where folks are drinking the same amount of water, to challenge the hydration myth, drinking the same amount of water and some are using the one and some are not in the other group. And you were able to observe differences in significant outcomes like measures of mitochondrial. Yeah. ATP, we measured, yeah, ATP levels and it was an independent study. We wanted to do it really rigorously because I completely agree coming from the pharmaceutical world, people can always kind of find an angle, kind of to portray something is like this and like that. But we kind of wanted to do it in a way that we literally did it that way. We hired an independent company. We just provided them with wands. And we just told them, we actually, with the ATP, we deployed luciferase, which is an enzyme that catalyzes light production in bioluminescent organisms. And due to its really, really extraordinary sensitivity, you can very, very accurately measure ATP levels in humans. So this was the test because we really wanted to be sure that if there is a difference, that we will notice it. And it was designed in a way where we took a snapshot of ATP levels in participants of the study. Then they drank a liter and a half of vanilla water per day without changing anything else in the world. So they didn't change their diets, didn't change their exercise regime, they didn't use supplements. everything needed to be 100% clean and clear so that we actually have results that we can rely on. And two months later, we did another test to see whether something happened. And we saw a 20% rise in overall mitochondrial energy of the body over the placebo. So this is more than significant rise. And we're not talking about Red Bull energy here. We're talking about actual mitochondrial energy, actual cellular energy. If you give your body just a couple of percent more, it will do so, so, so, so much for you. And not only that, you know, scientists now agree that one of the, you know, key causes of age is a decline in mitochondrial function. And just by drinking the water, you have to drink it anyhow. And you just put this wand around and swirl it a little bit, And you really significantly have lifted your ATP levels. And you know what the result of really high ATP levels in your body, what results all over the body, what this actually has. It's incredible. Yeah, I've been talking a lot about beauty and regenerative aesthetics these days and the ways that we are as women even potentially being gaslit and gaslighting ourselves around aging as some sort of natural phenomenon we should just embrace and even celebrate rather than recognizing it largely as cellular senescence and mitochondrial dysfunction and this low ceiling that we have. Because I imagine you would agree, there's the physical dimension of our wellness. There is the energetic and the spiritual. And when they are coherent, that's beauty. I mean, you feel vital and you look beautiful. I agree. 100%. Yeah. Yes. Agreed. Yeah. To have health, right? So there were definitely stages in my own journey where I had resolved Hashimoto's. I was healthy on paper, but I didn't have the vital reclamation of my relational sovereignty. And I was leaking a lot of vital force energy and dysfunctional relational dynamics all across in my business, with my friendships, family, partnerships. And as I started to bring more and more and more of that back into my life, I had more and more access to vitality and I look different and more and more, I think, coherent over time. Like it's such a more nuanced phenomenon than just the wellness piece, like the health and wellness piece being a destination. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. And all of this is basically super important. We are multidimensional beings. And when we are in a state of coherence with ourselves at the deepest possible level, then that gets reflected basically everywhere. I'm going to share with you one study that really blew my mind about this water. And I would say that this is the most important element of it. You know, we did all of the double-blind placebo-controlled studies, and it's super important. We did ATP, NAD, microbiome, glycanase, all of this. So it's really super important. But for me personally, what I see this as truly, truly the most important thing. Early on, we actually did study with seeds, you know, this tiny, tiny life. And we watered some with regular water, some with NLMO water, and we monitored biophoton emissions. So the seeds that were watered with regular water, we didn't see any significant or real change. Everything basically stayed the same. But almost as soon as we started to water seeds with NLMO water, we started seeing these peaks and valleys of biofoton emission. Like it started to breathe light in and out in a very long form. We were like, what's happening here? It's really visible and very visceral. And we couldn't understand it. We actually connected to many other scientists so that we figure out. And after a while, we realized that it started to follow the tides. So, an elemental water connected this tiny piece of life to the circadian rhythm of nature. So, the seed started to electromagnetically move with the nature. To me, that is really super profound. We are part of the planet Earth. we like to think of our soul that we are all separate from each other and separate from the environment no we are part of the one whole we are one with mother earth and earth is now moving through pretty powerful changes and one thing really powerful thing one amongst others that this water does for you is it's not going to only connect you within yourself It will connect you electromagnetically to your relevant environment. And you're going to move with the earth. And you're not going to be separate from it. Which in this point in time, I believe is really, really, really, really important for all people. Speaking of which, I'm in the non-germ theory believing camp and have a profound regard for microorganisms. and our relationship to these helping agents, right? These restructuring and detoxifying agents that, you know, many who have discussed the role of pleomorphism and, you know, the spontaneous nature of our own bodies to produce microorganisms to help us to repair and heal, right? So I'm definitely in that camp of it's actually all us. There's no such thing as like, you know, a deadly virus out there or even a virus at all. So anyway, I'm in that camp. And the research that you've done, even in the microbiome world, has also helped us to see how we can create the conditions for inner harmony. Right. Even just through the energetics of the water that we drink. What did your research on the microbiome? Totally. I mean, I'm going to show you one study that we did, which inspired the human microbiome study. We actually, since this cold technology is being created in the Netherlands, and Netherlands is agriculture country. 98% of all their agriculture land is being cultured. And they're using a lot of glyphosate and all the other toxins. So we actually took a piece of soil which was completely destroyed in any sense of the world. It was completely barren. You couldn't grow anything on it. And they've tried and they tried to revive it chemically in so many ways. And it was just dead. You couldn't grow anything on it. So we really picked, you know, a really bad one, like the ones that we can really do a test on, you know. And part, one chunk of it, we watered with regular water. And one part we watered with NLM water. And we monitored what happened in the soil on a molecular level. So very soon after, I believe the study lasted for two months. But anyhow, the part that was watered with regular water, it was completely dead. We saw zero, zero, zero change in it whatsoever. But the part that was watered with NLM water, we started seeing explosions in biodiversity of the microbiome. Out of nowhere, these colonies of bacteria started to show up in large, large, large numbers. And, you know, total nitrogen cycle of that piece of soil increased dramatically. Total nitrogen inside of the soil increased dramatically. And within only two months, that piece of soil became fertile again. And interestingly, because of all of these bacteria, they started to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere into the soil where it actually belongs. So this actually inspired the human microbiome study because we saw, okay, there is a connection there. But just this, can you imagine a more beautiful way to kind of restore the balance in the environment in terms of gases, in terms of bacterial diversity? It's just simple. You just water the soil with it and everything comes into balance. but everything. This was the study that actually inspired human microbiome study. It was also double-blind placebo control study. We measured what is called the spiosis index of the microbiome. The spiosis index measures the degree of deviation within the microbiome, taking into account all the different bacterial phyla and species and their rank factor. Again, to cut the long story short, it was very rigorous, again, in the same way. People were drinking a liter and a half of lm of water per day without changing anything else in the world. And what we saw was 17% improvement on the dysbiosis index. But more importantly, we saw drop in what we call bad bacteria and rise in positive bacteria. I also believe that there is nothing that is intrinsically bad or good. It's just a matter of balance. And it seems that this water, it does exactly that. It brings an equilibrium. So if something is out of whack, it literally brings it back into balance. Because there is us as beings, there is this natural equilibrium, natural state of coherence where we are not only in harmony with ourselves, but we are in harmony with everything around us. And then we vibrate in an entirely different way. We are one with everything around us. And then just our presence has an extraordinary effect on everything around. We don't even have to say a word. Just being in a world in this particular way where you are aware of who you are, you're in contact with the deeper part of yourself. You don't even have to say a word. You're just a benevolent force that touches everything with grace. It's so inspiring that the ritual of reconnection to that profound reality could be so simple, right? Because I think, and I've been confronting even in my own journey and experience, the very well-entrenched belief that hard work and force of will are how anything good is delivered to our lives, right? And that nothing is meant to be easy and that it's probably a Faustian bargain if it seems that way. And of course, in many cases, that is true. But this strikes me as another example of the grace that's available to us, you know, where it just gets to be easy. You literally just get to take this crystal and wand and swirl your water and you get to reconnect with something as potentially life affirming as what you have described. You belong here. You're a part of this. All of these existential outcomes, which I know are not even what you're measuring. You're measuring the biological impact, and yet it all is connected. It's very exciting. And of course, I'm sitting here wondering, thinking about the bio photon related research tonight, and I think a study you might consider doing is in women, right? in women, right? Because so much of the cosmetic and aesthetic world markets what? A glow, right? So women and their experience, like we look, when we look in a mirror, we can tell, it's almost like we can perceive our own bioluminescence. Like we can tell whether we are glowing or not, whether another woman is glowing or not. And it's this very, you know, ephemeral thing. It's like, how do you, how would you quantify it? But since you have a means of literally quantifying that, I wonder even aesthetically, right? Like could even your glowing skin be improved through this kind of an exposure? I'm curious about that because why else would we call it that? Why else would we even perceive that aesthetically? 100 100 100 I mean interestingly we can with this particular technology we can measure only kind of small surfaces But you know science is moving so it would be really really interesting to measure biophoton emissions of a person But I believe, you know, since, you know, water is a broadband absorber receiver and transmitter of energy frequency and vibration, we are the highest technology of God on the planet, I would say. And when you enter into a room where there is joy and grace and beauty and love and compassion, you are literally bathed in it. You can literally sense it. The moment you enter into a room, especially people who are a little bit, just a little bit sensitive, you can actually sense it. And then you just choose to stay within those kind of environment. And then it multiplies. I really, really, really believe that it multiplies. when you're sharing space, that's why picking your company is so important. So, and you know, I really believe that we should be quote unquote selfish that way, because we are not being selfish that way. What we are doing for the highest good of ourselves, we're doing for the highest good of all. We are always one. We're never separate. Whatever is good for me is good for you. Whatever is good for you is good for me. There is literally no separation. Yeah, that's what I refer to, invoke a phrase I've borrowed called sacred selfishness that I've come to understand that. It's also the resolution of the codependent phenomenon and attachment to anything in the outside world needing to be a certain way, which ultimately is so that you can feel better. So you might as well go to the source, make yourself, you know, inspire yourself, inspire yourself. Yes. And, you know, so to that point, you have clearly, I mean, even just speaking to you, I feel it like you've clearly been inspired enough by this work and what it can offer the individual. And it's the simplest of all practical interventions to want to pay this forward. And that's the sort of like knock on effect of any reclamation of vitality is, of course, we share it. we want to. It's this cascading golden glittery stream of life force that just pours forth. So you all have big visions for what an dilemma can do. I mean, the story of the soil regeneration, I mean, could it be that simple? This is sort of what I'm saying. It's ultimately potentially so much simpler than the fights that so many of us imagine are necessary in order to take down the evil monsters, right? So what are you all ideating, working on when it comes to big picture ecosystem level, yeah, movement towards a more beautiful life as Charles Eisenstein would put it, yeah, the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible. What does that look like? So the mission statement of our company is to make all the bodies of water on this planet coherent again. So we already created this beautiful eco-friendly technology that we want to install at the wells of the biggest rivers. Because then all the water down the stream would enter into this beautiful coherent state. And then, you know, life is just going to thrive. We've seen it. We did the studies. So we know what the effect is going to be. But what's truly, truly inspiring is that all of this water will end up in oceans and then the oceans will enter into a state of coherence and then we're going to have a coherent planet. This is our dream. That's why we're investing so much into science so that we actually that the whole thing becomes irrefutable by any standard. Then wouldn't be amazing you mentioned New York. If we could go to the mayor of New York and all the New York municipal water supply would be treated with NLMA. Because this water is extraordinarily resilient. That's what's beautiful about it. Usually water wants to move in natural ways. When we push the water through rectangular piping system, we're literally killing it. It just wants to move in a different way. But what we realized that when water enters into coherent state with a lemma, it will survive even if it reaches your tap anywhere in New York. So you open the tap and you actually get a glass of mother water, which you could drink. I mean, this is the dream. Of course, there are so many elements to it. It's not just that we, you know, usually it's good that I've started talking to you about this because usually people just go for the filtration of water. And I just want to address that. When you take the toxin out, that's like you have to do that. No question about it. But what most people don't understand, and since water is a broadband absorber and a receiver of energy frequency and vibration, even if you take the toxin out, the frequency, the information of that toxin is still in that water. That's so wild. And you drink it and we are an energetic being. You're literally informing your body just like that toxin is still there. And this is where NLM actually comes. This is the beauty of it. It literally creates a clean slate. It primes the water to enter into its optimum state. So all of the lesser information, let's call it that way, stands down. It's just being erased. and you're literally putting then the water, which is in a state that your body not only recognizes, but loves, it absorbs it, it enters into your cell. And not only that, we actually want to do studies with that as well so that we prove that if you're taking supplements and if you're taking this water so that all of these nutrients that you actually want to introduce into your body, they go where you want them to go. Because, you know, if your entire system is optimized, running, it's in state of coherence. If your mind is in the state of coherence, your soul is in the state of coherence, your body in the state of coherence, you're literally in the state of coherence with everything around you. Then everything functions. I love how Osho mentioned this. He said when the shoe fits, the foot is forgotten. Wow. Then everything just flows and you're literally flowing through your life and you have this experience where every moment counts. You're literally perceiving life around you. You're not cut off from life. You're literally being life in the moment. And just one moment of that. Rumi said this beautifully. To be one with the truth for just a moment is worth more than the world and life itself. So present moment is so, so, so full and so abundant and so precious. And it's every single moment. Yet our minds are all over the place seeking, searching something. But to come back to yourself and just enter into a state of coherence with yourself, then everything becomes self-relevant. everything becomes obvious and there is no struggle anymore wow quoting all the all stars here we've gotten pretty deep and it really is the marriage to your point when we first started talking of science and spirituality to access these tools that have been maybe you think you created this but odds are you channeled it and it was created right like no no we are just so you know we are very much aware that you know mother earth picked us and uh yeah yeah exactly and it came through so i personally i just want no question if not you would have you know it would have been somebody else because it needed to to be here and and i think what's so exciting and really on brand for where i am in my journey is the the ease the simplicity and the full spectrum unlock, right? So from the biological, unlocking your biological potential, you talked about mitochondrial outputs and support all the way to this, again, like etheric realm of vital and energetic emissions and force and harmony that it could be accessed through such a simple technology and ritual, I think it's exactly where I am in my process right now. Like, yes, of course I filter my water, but I also would be stuck in the sort of like struggle with how much to hydrate myself with my filtered water if NLMA didn't make the whole experience of drinking water more beautiful. I don't know how else to say it. It really is that for me. and so I want to get into just ground it down into some simple FAQs because I know I've had them and I want to anticipate what people listening might have. So this wand is under $200. I know that you've tried to make this extremely accessible to people. That was the whole dream because we want to put this at least so that every family has one. And if you treat it like a jewel, because it's very delicate, yeah, if you drop it, it will break. But if you treat it like a jewel, it will create coherent water for you for life. And therefore, we intentionally made this. This is an entry-level product. We have the inlay, which you just drop into a pitcher so you don't even have to swirl, even though I love swirling because of the whole ritual about it. But if people want to make larger bodies of water coherent, you just drop the inlay and we have the whole house system and everything. But this is the entry one and I really love it. It's really a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful thing. You stay intimate with water, which I really believe is also very important. Yes. And I'm also a huge fan of whole house interventions because if you're going to be a guardian of the energy of your house that is arguably one of the most important places to assert your boundary with what is going on out there. Yeah. And I have to mention that we actually did a study because we were thinking, you know, since 99% of all of our molecules are water and water always picks up the most dominant frequency of its environment, we were thinking what would happen if people would take a bath in an alignment water. And then, you know, we connected to Dr. Greg Lane in San Diego, and we did 100 people study where we measured cardiac output, stroke volume, blood viscosity, and the most importantly, heart rate variability. And we had every single time improvement on every single marker, and the minimum improvement we saw in heart rate variability was 30%. That's the minimum. And I'm not even going to tell you what was the max because it's just crazy to talk about. And this is just like soaking in it. Soaking. We just go in and people were in it 20 to 30 minutes. We just put a TV in front of them so they were laying down, taking a bath in warm water. That's the only thing that they did. And we did the test before and after. Yeah, I think about that. Wow. All the float tanks, you know, the float tanks out there. People have like, yeah, imagine they. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that would be cool. to this upgrade. I mean, there's just infinite, right? Infinite ways to consider applying this simple intervention. And okay. So what if folks are wondering about, so the water that they drink, but it's really anything with water in it that you're drinking? Anything. You can make beer coherent. You can make wine coherent. It is super funny because we had this sommelier, which was really kind of, you know, he is one of the top ones. And he told us that we took like, I don't know, very cheap wine, just treat it with an dilemma. It really started tasting in a much, much, much higher. It was super funny to us. Like we can take, you know, I don't know, $5 bottle of wine into a $100 bottle of wine. It was so funny. But anyhow, Now, if it has water molecules, they will enter into this liquid crystalline state. And therefore, the taste profile, so many things will change. And you can perceive it. It's not even subtle. You can perceive it. Yeah, exactly. That's why when you do your beauty study, I want to be a part of this study, and you're going to gauge this objective perception that women have of their own glow after they drink. So I'll just do an N of 1, and I'll let you know if I'm really consistent. No, I've been so inspired, even just preparing to speak to you again, because I've had this wand for years. And again, I think that that's because we're in this zeitgeist moment where so many of us are recognizing the kind of neurotic energy that we can bring to health and wellness and how that doesn't actually result in the experience of connection, vitality. and true harmony with our own ecosystems, let alone the greater ecosystem that we were hoping for. And so I think these kinds of reframes offer that. And if there is just such a simple, elegant practice that goes with it, this, I think, is the next step for us. And I feel it in even speaking to you, your energy is just, yeah, 10 out of 10. Right. It's just such it's it's easy. It's pleasurable. It's, you know, graceful. And the solution is already here. Right. Like it's it's already happening. And I matured into the capacity to value that more than the fight. Right. Because even in the filtered water world, there's kind of like the fight against all the toxic shit that they're putting it. Right. I don't know. I'm very sensitive now to those kinds of victim energies that can thread their way through wellness-related behaviors, activities, and narratives. And so there's just something that I'm so delighted to have this technology in my, if I want to call it that, in my life scape. And I just had a house full of friends because I put on an event this weekend and they were watching me kind of like stir my glass of water casually. And I was explaining to one of my girlfriends what the deal is with NLM1s. And she's like, okay, well, I guess I got to get that now. And she's like, well, how much is it, right? Expecting this because I will blow all kinds of money on all kinds of gadgets. I don't even look at the price tag kind of a thing when I want to invest in something. So it could have been $8,000, right? According to what she's watched me purchase. It could have been any. And I was like, yeah, no, it's sub, I don't know exactly, sub $200. $200, $199, yeah. There you go. So she was, yeah, so she was shocked because I went into a lot of what we talked about this hour. And so, yeah, like what a gift. And I love thinking about it also as like, yeah, this heirloom jewel that you have, you know, maybe in your kitchen and maybe your family shares and it's amazing. I am a huge fan. I'm so grateful to you and everyone at Anolema, and I am also here to help spread the good word. And it makes my job a lot easier as a, fundamentally as a believer, it makes my job a lot easier that you have so many years of incontrovertible evidence that this is a real phenomenon, that there is something, as you said, biologically powerful that is happening, let alone, you know, uh, ethericly, energetically, spiritually. And I think this is absolutely the, the path forward. So I'm so grateful to you. So, so happy to be in a position to put all y'all on to this. And of course the links will be in show notes as, as usual. Thank you. Thank you, Mario. Thank you so much for having me. This was, this has been one of the most pleasurable, uh, uh, podcasts I've had. I really love everything about you. You're really, such an amazing person really and you literally radiate light well there you go it's the NLMA and I really enjoy it I enjoyed every second of it so thank you so much for having me thank you you