171: Why Most Pet Owners Are Accidentally Making Their Animals Sick | Ditte Young

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They take on their human beings' pain, concerns, both mentally and physically. They oftentimes become sick. I haven't met an animal yet who are not extremely communicative to their animal owners, but they don't trust what is being said. Hi, and welcome back to Reclamation Radio. I am here with my cat, Mushu, to introduce the conversation that I had the pleasure of enjoying with Dita Young, who is an internationally renowned clairvoyant. Many of you will know her from the telepathy tapes. She's also a bestselling author and trained therapist. And we travel from the practical to the metaphysical when it comes to pets and animals, domestic and wild. We talk about what animals are trying to tell us through their behavior. We talk about three different ways to talk to an animal. And we also talk about how it is that you can possibly love animals with all your heart and also eat them for dinner. probably the biggest existential question I have encountered in my lifetime. So I hope that you enjoy this and that it helps you to feel more connected to your furry creature. Hi, Disa. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Oh, it's such a pleasure. And before we hopped on, I was just saying how excited I am to introduce all of my listeners to your gifts and your work. I learned about you, as so many have, on the telepathy tapes. I had a lot of preconceptions around the topics covered that I assumed would be covered in the telepathy tapes. And I went in only because a close friend had recommended that I listen. And like pretty much 100% of people who have taken the time to consume the series, it was absolutely inspirational, like crying, laughing. I mean, it was such a beautiful experience. And one of my favorite episodes is the one that showcases you and your work and specifically around communications with a particular doggy. And I changed one behavior that I want to get into on a dime. Like I listened to that. And with my own cats, I started to communicate to them verbally and with the intention to connect. Every time I leave the house, I say to them now, every single time I say, I'm going, I'll be back in an hour or I'll be back in three days or I'll be back in, you know, three hours or four hours. It also helps me to sort of like actually connect to the present moment and clock my own, you know, trajectory throughout the day. But I have had also the pleasure now of having a personal reading with you because I have what I would call a karmic cat. And I'm so excited to have this conversation with you today because I really don't talk a lot in my public life and on the podcast about my relationship to animals. And it is such a huge part of my life. If you ask anybody in my personal life, they will tell you. Not only am I obsessed with animals and my pets, but I have been working through some issues. specifically codependency with one particular cat, Mushu, that will often appear here on the screen. And it has been an inspiration for me to learn about animal communication. I've tried to access gifts myself because unlike with my children, when I struggle to communicate and understand, I can get really frustrated. With my kids, for whatever reason, that's not been our karma. We communicate well and meet each other's needs well and everything seems to be working out. But with this one particular kitty, I've been doing some deep diving. So as somebody who's tried to access these gifts, I would love to start out, Dita, by just hearing about how it is that you knew this was your path. How it is that you knew you could access this, that you could translate, and that you could then share this gift with others who want to connect more deeply with their animals. I'd love to just hear about if it was a moment or a phase in your life, or you just sort of always knew that this was your destiny. Thank you for that question. So I think that I was born sensitive, and I think that it wasn't a thing when I grew up. And I feel so othered and I felt so different. And I heard that the animals communicated to me like a tone of a voice in my head, but it sounded like my own voice. So it confused me a lot. As a four or five-year-old child, I saw deceased people, spirits. Some people call them ghosts. I heard animals communicating to me. I felt everything in a room. I predicted so many things. So it was basically an ability, a very luxurious ability I was born with, which I felt was very difficult for me in my life. So I actually wanted to shut it off and shut it down. And when I was turned 19 years old, I contacted a school. We have lots of schools here in Europe where I'm located. And I asked the teacher, will you please shut it off? And she told me, of course, I'm going to teach you how to control your abilities. You're going to be a very renowned animal communicator and you've been going to be a clairvoyant, but I will teach you how to shut it off. And I paused for a second when she mentioned animal communicator, because that wasn't a thing. So I asked her, what is that? And she said, that is communicating with animals. And I've never heard of the terms. I grew up before we had the internet. I couldn't Google myself out of it. I knew that Rupert Sheldrake, I know that Rupert Sheldrake is on the other side of the pond in England, in UK, but I didn't know anybody like me. And I just trained and trained and practiced my abilities. And then I just witnessed one magical experience after the other. And I saw, wow, this is easy. I better teach the world. I better teach my methods to the world. So it wasn't kind of a moment. It was more a journey. And because my best friend Tara is a clairvoyant, I've known her since I was 11, and I've witnessed what that journey can look like in terms of the personal resistance and even inner doubts and what it is to mature into the gift. I know that it can come with a lot of personal responsibility for managing the gift well. I promise you we're not doing active telepathy on this hour. But what I do want to share is all of the insights that you as this 3D woman I'm talking to right now, that you get to enjoy because of your work. You have insights into animal hearts and minds that can help the rest of us who maybe don't have access to your gifts in our very precious relationships with these beings. And I grew up with dogs, then I became a chicken and cat mom, but there is probably no relationship in my life that has brought out more neuroses and even fear, right? Like for his well-being. I mean, I'm traveling tomorrow. I told you, I fly in somebody from out of state to come take care of this cat. And I have another cat who's just a beautiful, lovely cat. She's just a cat. She's just like, goes out, catches lizards, comes back in. She's super chill. She's always been healthy. But I know that there are many listening who have an animal that we might call like an empath, right? Or the animal that is seemingly connected emotionally to one or more members of the family in a very deep way. And that then becomes this other layer. Like if you have that belief that the cat is reflecting or holding something, and let's say they're struggling with some sort of symptom or some sort of issue or just are anxious or nervous, you know, jumpy, flighty, whatever, then you take on that responsibility, right? It's like, well, I need to work on that. I need to call my system so that he feels more calm. But What do you think about that? How would you describe at this stage your preliminary conclusions, maybe, on how animals relate to unspoken, maybe unconscious family dynamics or emotional struggles on the part of their adult human friends? Wow. I know. Just let me know. Let me know the truth. I think that the beauty of becoming an animal communicator combined with me being a licensed therapist is amazing work. Because why is it that so many people are dependent on animals? It's because they mirror the human being and because they calm down our nervous systems because they force us to be in the now. And as you just said, it's so correct. It is so true that they become more than just a cat or just a dog. But our friends, our soulmates, our support systems, our parents are beloved. And we connect with them differently than human beings because they are pure. They consist out of pure love. We meet loyalty like never before. We meet empathy like never before. And we meet a mirror and a reflection in a four spirit that does not want anything from us besides from loving us and supporting us in our lives And that is the beauty of it When I practice telepathy I usually if you remember it been a while ago Kelly but I usually ask the animals by using three modalities. Either telepathy consists of either I create a sentence inside of my head and transmitting it to the animal. I produce images in front of my inner eyes and I produce emotions. And those three modalities is called telepathy. And I always seek the animal's personality profiles. I have written books about this. I have them in online lessons because I do believe that animals are individuals just as human beings. And when I understand their personality profiles, I understand the behavioral patterns, which we as human beings interpret as behavioral issues from time to time. They don't have issues. I have to admit that. But they have a way of being in the world when they're not being understood. And the second thing I always ask animals about during a session is definitely their relationship with the human beings. I ask them about motivation, health concerns, and how to solve, air quote, the behavioral issues. But what has my huge interest is the relationship because I understand the extent, the intelligence, the knowledge they hold of their human beings and their family members. And that is miraculously every single time. So the dynamic is obviously reciprocal, right? So it's, you know, it's from heart to heart and mind to mind in the animal and the human. But do you believe that there are some animals that, I don't know, maybe even contract spiritually to hold some of the unconscious dilemmas or conflicts of a human? Or is that sort of extrapolating too far? No, I don't think it's too far, but it depends on their, if you believe in that karmic lesson they came with, because they have a self-potential growth of their own. They have a reason for being here, and that's why we are very dependent with one another as a collective. Many years ago, people thought that it was a mutual collective spirit. They had their own heaven on the other side. They had their own frequency. But I came to that understanding that we are on the same frequency. We are on the same planet and we are in the same heaven when we get to the other side. It's a long story. We might want to get back to that one. And dependent on their karmic lessons and their task here on this planet, they chose you. They chose us as their human beings. I have heard animal owners, one after the other, telling me the same thing. They felt chosen. They felt their animals chose them for a reason. And dependent on their personality profiles, of course, they have their needs, like basic needs. Feed me, pet me, play with me. And they are very concerned about being part of the collective for staying safe. Basically, that's their instinct. They just want to feel safe. And if you're not safe, I'm not safe. And that potential is. So when you work with an animal who has a particular health condition, right, a lot of times, and obviously my perspective is shaped by my experience. with children of mothers specifically, but parents who have their own unconscious issues that they have been avoiding addressing. And then the children often become the identified patients, right? So they express, in my perspective and opinion, they express a lot of the unconscious issues of their parents. And then we focus on their rashes, their behavioral issues, their so-called autoimmune conditions, whatever. So do you think that when an animal expresses a so-called illness, it's important to look at the dynamic between the animal and the human? It's important to look at the human and their maybe unaddressed issues, or is it sometimes just a biological phenomenon? They're eating the wrong food or they're in a three-dimensionally unhealthy situation or circumstance or environmental exposures? It's a little bit of both, but definitely the first thing you mentioned, because of course we transmit and transfer mirroring neurons between us. We know this as women. If you and I were to work together with 50 other women staying in the same building for a month, our menstrual cycle would synchronize, So, of course, we affect one another. We transmit and project our own diseases to one another. And I can, again, dependent on the very royal, majestical animals that almost comes as healers on this planet, they take on their human beings' pain, concerns, both mentally and physically, and they oftentimes become sick or they deal with ulcers. especially when I work with riders, equestrians, these are the animals that becomes very clear on the symptoms and how they carry the symptoms because any rider working on the elite, they know that their weak side becomes the horse's weak side. And so the animal can only manage and do and perform what the rider is capable of doing. So they know. And the same thing goes for cats and dogs and budgies and all animals. But it's clearer when it's a horse because we have half a ton between our hands. We want to do something simultaneously with the rider. Are there some species of animals that are more difficult for you to communicate with? Like I remember one time I spoke to an animal communicator about my chickens as very attached to my chickens. And I was told that it's sometimes harder with birds, for example. But I wonder if that's been your experience. No, I can communicate with all species. This is a skill issue. And I had the privilege of helping domesticated animals, wildlife, animals in the Sioux, You know, been to Africa, the Maldives, different zoos in the world, circus, even circus animals. That's such a huge privilege. And I'm so nerdy so that it has my interest. What can different species tell me? What has their interest individually? And to the I can't generalize. And yet still, here I go. The birds are very occupied with food in general. So their focus is not that connected to us as human beings. They're more occupied, feed me first, and I'm occupied with the other chicken can't take my food, or the other bird shouldn't take my food, or I'm going to help my friends, bird friends, come here. There's a food supply here. Whereas if we go to cats and dogs, we take indoor. They connect with us as human beings. So they become more focused with their human beings. Does that make the cats and humans more intelligent? So how do we measure intelligence, right? That's a different question. And if we look at how humans measure intelligence, we measure it with animals based on the extent of helping one another. So oftentimes we will look at elephants and dolphins as the most intelligent animals on this planet. because why the elephants know telepathically when a friend is dying or is dead. So they can walk for miles and go back and find the elephant grief for months on the body, you know, and year after year, they come back to the same exact space where that elephant passed away. That is intelligent. When we measure dolphins, it's because of the sonar system. They understand, I have a friend in aid. We need to, you know, swim over there and help them. That is intelligent because they are telepathic. What does that make us as human beings? It's not that emotionally that makes us the most emotionally unintelligent people on this planet. And the birds aren't that curious on one another in the pack. Does that make them less intelligent? I don't think so, but it just differs. It just tells me a lot about the focus points, to be honest. And like a hierarchy of needs and priorities, it sounds like, yeah. Basically, yeah. So, of course, we can communicate with all sorts of species if we have the abilities and the right questioning technique to answer an animal. Oftentimes, people ask me as a teacher, do you have any, as an animal communicator teacher, do you have any animals who refuses to communicate with you? And I'm telling them no, because if they refuse communicating with me, I'm going to ask the animal, what's up? What is your skepticism about? I don't know you. You're a stranger. I have suffered a shock and trauma. And then we are actually already communicating. So I want to circle back to something you started to reference because this feels like an extraordinary opportunity for me personally, and I can't be alone, to ask one of the biggest questions. In fact, one of my daughters asked me a couple months ago, you know, what question I'd ask God kind of a thing, right? What would be my one question I'd want clarified? And because I do a lot of work inner and professional to understand these journeys that we go on as human beings, I actually don't have a ton of questions about why suffering and sort of the obvious things. But I do have a question about the role of animals on this plane and with specific regard to humans. And the question comes from this seemingly unresolvable dilemma of destruction and suffering that appears to be baked into the animal kingdom, right? Like eating each other and exercising force over domination, non-consensual, right? But then, of course, in my personal life, I have walked the journey so many, and I would say maybe particularly women, at least the ones I encounter, grapple with, which is to eat or not to eat animals. And I was an unconscious vegetarian earlier in my life, you know, like Pepsi and pizza kind of vegetarian before I got pregnant 18 years ago. And then because of my diagnosis of Hashimoto's, I went on a nutrition journey and I became for 15 plus years a very strict, you know, sort of I would say paleo ancestral eater. And I started to eat animals again, but with unresolved conflict, right? I always sourced them well, all those things, right? They're always sourced from particular farms. I would never eat meat out at a random restaurant. And I was very strict about that. And then I went vegetarian again. And this was in 2020 when I adopted chickens and two cats. And I remember, it's going to make me tear up. I think about it and my heart hurts. I remember the moment that I used to eat filet mignon. And I would make filet mignon with broccoli rabe and that would be like my go-to dinner, right? And I remember I was like literally cutting this filet mignon and my cats go on the counter. I have no boundaries with them, which is maybe another thing I can ask you about. But anyway, so my little cat, Bitty Kitty, was on the table, of course. And I looked into her eyes and she was, maybe I had her for a year at this point. And I looked into her eyes and I just felt the soul of this animal that I was consuming and her soul and my soul. I don't know how else to put it, but I just felt this depth open up like a chasm. And overnight, I became a strict vegetarian. Now, I was also raising chickens from chicks. There's no way I was touching chicken, but I had like, you know, I'm Italian. I'm Italian. And so I would make this chicken stock every week for my kids and put the whole bird in the pot. No, that was done. And so for several years, I was extremely strict about this. And then for reasons related to the consequences of a water fast that I did, I ended up starting experimenting with nutrition again. And now I eat meat again. And the crazy part is I don't buy chicken. My kids know I'm not doing it. I'm just not doing it. Plus, I don't really need that. It's like I don't crave it. I'm not interested. But I will buy chicken for my cats. And I will feed my cats and I make their food with raw chicken. But I won't feed it to my kids because I'm not cooking it It so twisted up I am no closer to coming to peace or a deep understanding of the internal very personal ethics You know, because I know if you put me out in the woods, your girl is not killing a deer. Okay. I would become an overnight berry eater for the rest of time, like a frugivore, the end. So even that, right, it's like if somebody else is killing it and then I'm eating it and not thinking about it. And so it just brings me, that's a long therapeutic diatribe, thank you, but it brings me to this very deep metaphysical question, and I wonder if you have thoughts, I'm sure you do, on like, what is our agreement? What is the arrangement? Like, what are our roles? And how do you suggest that we might resolve the deep conflict of loving animals and regarding them as soulful beings and then going home and, you know, having an animal on the plate for dinner? It's such a tough question, Kevin. I know. It's a vulnerable question. I don't hold the entire truth. I can only respond based from my personal opinion and what I'm with, right? The animals are occupied with what they eat. They don't think about, they did have a nice life or did we treat them well? They eat it raw, you know. And animals are not concerned about if we violate them, to be honest. They ask the questions, why are you violating me? As an example, I'm meeting one rider after the other who can't hold their timber back. They tend to punish or punch the horse in the face. When they get frustrated, they're whipping them a little bit too much. They're taking the reins a little bit too much. We can debate, is that animal welfare or not? It's not, in my opinion. And they get frustrated. it. None of these horses have ever asked me, give me another. Can't you just give me another rider? Give me a different home. I don't want to stay here. But they will ask me, what did I do wrong to deserve this? How can I improve so that she doesn't get annoyed by what I'm doing, by my behavior, which means they take on a very logical and pure loving responsibility instead of debating with us. And is that positive or negative? I think that is the exact reason why we love animals. They don't judge. So by that being said, when they don't judge, we shouldn't judge either. Some people need more protein. Some people are more religious in their belief of extremely vegetarian, going vegan. And we are different. All of us human beings are different. We can't judge one another on this planet, what feels right. But what we can do is treat the animals right, treat ourselves right. We should focus on what we put inside of ourselves. I question what do I put in my mouth, but I don't judge what other people are doing. Of course. Yeah. I learned that lesson very, very long ago in my career. And I've never really taken an ethical stand on it, even my own program, you know, health program, which does involve the consumption of specifically red meat. It's not about this is the right thing for you to do. It's literally just about the biology and what I learned from my own mentor. However, it's a very, right? Like it's a complex personal terrain. And I remember having a conversation with one of my best friends who's had cats and she eats meat. And she said, well, think about it, Kelly. Like if it was end of times, apocalyptic times, would you eat your cats or feed, this is a crazy conversation, sorry, but would you feed your cats to your kids? Let's say if you were all starving, blah, blah, whatever. My answer is no. Of course, I don't know what would actually happen if I were actually in this situation, but projecting. Her answer is yes. For me, that she's eating meat is far more internally consistent. And I always teach and suggest that our suffering comes from inner conflict, right? Like the inner war, the two parts that have not developed a consensus or harmonized with each other. And so I'm sort of, I guess, very deep into that where even if this animal's been grass-fed and pasture-raised and treated like a king, would I look it in the eyes and murder it? Like, absolutely not. And yeah, I mean, so that's for me to work out. But you know what? Again, when I meet people who are extremely, air quote, religious when it comes to, they hold the entire truth. We cannot eat meat at all. We have no fish, no eggs, no vegan. They seem, I'm sorry out there, but the people I have met so far seem extremely, extremely exaggerated and judgmental. Yeah, sanctimonious. Well, to other people, and I find it extremely weird. How can you be judgmental? The point of the matter should be create more love, and you're not creating more love out of this. You shouldn't have an opinion of what other people might do. So it is a very, very vulnerable topic. Totally. Yes, I think there's a lot of human psychological and emotional nuance there, which is why it's like better reserved for, you know, a personal contemplation. And it is challenging, you know, when you develop the depths of relationship that some of us have the honor of experiencing with these animals. It is very confusing to understand how to relate more generally and sort of like, what's the deal? which is what you are shedding light on and just the purity of these souls. So given that, and you mentioned this a little bit, like this kind of shadowy, I would even describe it as a sadistic impulse that arises when some folks are in the presence of a seemingly dependent, maybe vulnerable, powerless creature. We all have heard stories of what I'll describe as animal abuse. But there's a spectrum, right? Because I said, you know, even I get frustrated with my cat when I don't know. Like, he's kind of like a chicken, I guess, because he's literally obsessed with food all the time. Huge emotional eater. I have neurotically tried him on 12,556 different diets, and it doesn't matter, right? So he's constantly hunting in the house. Now, he's also, by choice, an indoor cat. So maybe he just needs the stimulation. I don't know. But sometimes I'll get frustrated. If I have friends over and he's on the kitchen table trying to eat their food. And there was a very brief window where I had this little water spray bottle. And I would like, literally it was like two weeks. I would keep it on the table and spritz his face to get him to jump off the table. And then somehow it came into my consciousness that cats, and I was like a new cat mom, right? So like that cats don't respond to punishment. They don't respond to negative language, right? I believe you might have even mentioned this. And so there has to be another way for me to understand what it is that he wants and needs and to communicate with him with a different intention. And so I wonder if you can offer any tips. And obviously cats and dogs and different animals are fundamentally different in this regard. But maybe there's some sort of overarching how to, well, dogs, I guess lots of folks train them. So maybe we'll just focus on cats. How to communicate to them when there is something about their behavior. I never dealt with this, but a lot of people are like, oh, my cats are scratching my furniture. There's just things that they, because they're animals, right? Like, what the heck? So, yeah, if you have any tips for when the urge to redirect, let's say, let alone punish comes up, what is a better approach to connecting and coming into harmony with these animals? I think that that punishment will never work for any creature on this planet. For any creature, yeah. Any creature, either being two or four-legged. And for the animal, for the sake of the animals, they will just turn up the volume for their behavioral issues because they have a point of doing what they are doing. It can either be, I don't know, because I'm not telepathic right now. It can either be, I want to be part of your party or your team. Yeah, totally. You want more attention. So spraying water on Mushu is not going to be. It's not going to help. It's going to make it worse. I do believe that to change any behavioral issue is primarily to understand the personality profile of the animal you have, understand what it was bred for to begin with, which means a lot of animal owners, this is not cat lovers, this is more in the dog loving community here. They seem to forget they took in a hunting dog or, you know, a protective dog. Totally. Yeah. guardian dog or, you know, and they disagree with the dog when it starts to bark, when it knocks on the door. And you can't do that. When you understand the personality, what they were being bred for, if you understand how intelligent they are, and when you start communicating to your animal and just know for a fact they understand what you are saying. And as you said, Kelly, I started to communicate with my cat when I'm going away, for how many days. This was an advice I gave on the podcast show, the telepathy tapes, it went viral. It went viral because it works. It is so simple. It is such a simple tip. And the last advice I have for animal owners out there is use positive reinforcement. It works. When your animal is doing something you want to see more of, acknowledge it. Good cat! Yay! Good boy! Good girl! And that is something the animal understands. That is the positive side of it. Well, you know what's funny is it's the same as a wife and it's the same as a mother. That's actually the only thing that works in dynamic. And interestingly, this is what I'm saying about this karmic creature. I have never punished my children. They joke like they don't even understand what being grounded is. Like they've never had a timeout. Never, never. So I got the memo there. But I, yeah, I definitely felt like the wobble and then also have swung to the other side, usually, where like then I have no boundaries and I'm like feeding him 80 times a day, gourmet meals, whatever he feels like. If he doesn't feel like that, then I throw it out and I give him a new one, right? So then I also see these other flavors of my, what I would describe as my shadow. So like talk about a guru. I mean, talk about a teacher, talk about a soul partner and an ally. And to imagine that the solution is to just get them to behave the way it would be convenient for us. Yeah, it's amazing. And we fall into these traps emotionally. And I think it's important for all animal owners, if this resonates with them, to understand that animals are living in the world based on their instincts, which means they just want to be part of a pack, a litter, a collective, a family to feel safe. With other words, they need a leader. They don't necessarily need to be serviced in the way you service them, creating a luxurious life to them, because that's just going to be more of that. And they're going to be more needy in that regard. But they want to feel safe. They want to be stimulated and they want food and drinks. That's basically it. So they're very logical. And yet, when they have all these needs met, the next level is what do we project on one another? And that's the interest. Yes. And that's exactly where I wanted to go because I have, you know, over time developed the perspective and I have not dealt with this. I actually had two chickens die in my actual arms, which was like this very sacred experience. I remember when one of my chickens passed and the other chickens like literally gathered around in a, it gives me goosebumps, in a circle around me. Just for a moment, maybe it was like 15, 20 seconds. And then they went on their business and you could be like, oh, they just wanted to check out what was going on. but it was right in the moments as this chicken was passing away. Anyway, so that's my only real, you know, I haven't, my cats are alive and well. And I've developed the perspective that, and again, this is not with judgment, it's just my own internal sort of like calibration to this, that euthanizing pets at the end of life is very complicated, right? Why? Because I understand a lot about human projection. And I know that we absent the cultivation of telepathic gifts, that we project a lot of our own discomfort with their discomfort. Anybody who's listening might have heard me tell my story about that is literally why I became a doctor and specifically a psychiatrist is because of how uncomfortable I was with other people discomfort right So I needed a fix I needed a quick fix and that called a prescription So when an animal is in you know passing in the process of deteriorating physically, I think we do a lot of projecting onto them about their suffering. And imagine that euthanasia, which in many cases, if not all, is actually a form of murder, right? Like taking another life, no matter how you frame it. And it's not to say it's right or wrong or whatever, but if it's motivated by an imagined experience of this animal's own bodily sensations, it just gets complicated, right? Now, if an animal is like crying and wincing or whatever, that's one thing. But if they're just not eating, and I've gone through this with some of my friends who've been extraordinarily courageous in supporting their animals in passing over like three days or four days is usually what it takes like at the end, right? So all of that is to say that I wonder if you can share any insights about time and the lifespan as animals perceive it and even pain and death, right? Like how much are we imagining and projecting the human experience, anthropomorphizing them and how much of it is actually similitude, like how much of it is actually they're like us in these ways and they're scared of dying and they don't like pain and they... you know, have like a mini version, a furry version of like the human experience? These are such amazing questions. It is so different when I compare the animal kingdom and our thoughts on death, because for most animals, and I've been helping a lot of animals crossing over together with the veterinarians just before euthanizing them, none of them were afraid. None of them were afraid of dying. If we were out in nature and we didn't hold them back into our homes, they would seek nature and they would lay down in the grass and wait for a huge tiger to come and finish them up. I know it sounds awful, but that's in their nature. So they know. And a lot of animals seek to the garden. If it's a possibility, they seek outdoor when it's time. So when we euthanize, we actually help them cross over. It's not murdering them. It is helping them because otherwise we should let them out the door and they would finish it themselves to get the help out there. They're not occupied with dying. They're occupied with what am I going into? I don't want to step into death by myself. And a lot of animal owners have asked me, can you stay there? I am in a lot of grief. I am devastated. So can you as the animal communicator be there and hold the paw when the veterinarian is helping my animal? And my response every single time is no. If I'm going to be there, you are going to be there because I know that the animals want to have a friend just before they see the light and they move on to the light. And that friend should be the one they connected with throughout many, many years and not a stranger as I am, even though I have the abilities of building that bridge. So that is absolutely wonderful when I meet animal owners who just know. And I witnessed so many veterinarians who have so huge respect of this vulnerable situation. They have waiting rooms. They create a peaceful environment during that euthanasia. The entire situation is awful for most human beings because saying goodbye to an animal is even worse than saying goodbye to a human being for many of us because we know I can never replace this soul. This is pure love. It was my responsibility to take care, now comes the projection of this little soul. It is me as the judge becoming the God or the judge of life and death. I hate this. That's the difficult part for the owner. When it comes to pain issues, they experience pain. And they can't tell me from a scale from zero to 10 and zero is zero pain, 10, we're going to put you down. Where do you see yourself on that scale? And they can't communicate. I see myself as an eight or a six, and then I know, oh my God, they're in pain. We need to help them. But they don't react with pain as being victimized because of pain. They're going to lay down. They're going to refuse eating. They're going to react differently in the meeting with other animals because they know I can't fight back in the meeting with other dogs, or I can't fight back in the meeting with a different cat. So I'd rather isolate myself or I will seem aggressive in the meeting because that is the biggest protection I have. I better attack first. So our perception of pain, I often consider this, right? Even that we sometimes narrate pain as being very consistent and chronic and persistent. And it's just this one screeching note. And And when you really focus on the sensations of pain, that's never, literally never the case, right? So it ebbs and flows and it has peaks and valleys. And yet we narrate it and perceive it quite differently, right? So what I'm hearing is that maybe that whole layer of the psychological lens is different. Yeah, because if a dog would tell me I'm in pain in my lower back or around my hips, so I know I'm not going to jump into a car or I know for a fact I'm not going to jump the stairs, then we have a changed behavior. But it's just going to prevent itself from doing whatever it will take to get into those pain experiences. That's pretty smart. It's like matter of fact, it sounds like. Yeah, practical even. Very practical. Okay, so I have one more metaphysical question and then I want to make sure that people know how to learn this from you, which is extraordinary that you have set that up as a resource. Do you think at this point, assessing, again, these transitions that animals make out of the physical, that there's ever like a crossover? I mean, my daughters and I joke all the time that my cat is like a gay British man. Oh, like he just is a human. He is a human. He's not a cat. and my other cat is a cat. And maybe that's just whatever. We're just joking around. But is it ever a thing that souls transmogrify in terms of the actual species, do you think? It's just fun to even have the permission to explore and consider these things. Or is a cat soul a cat soul and a human soul is a human soul? Basically, but of course, the animal and we come from mammals as well. You know, so at one point we had been an animal many, many years ago. But I think it's more a matter of a personality profile with your cat. If you're telling me he's a British old guy or a gay guy, I think it's more a personality aspect of being sensitive, really feminine. It's almost like sometimes, sorry to interrupt you, but that he doesn't have the alacrity. Like he's very clumsy. Here he is. He's very clumsy. It's almost like he's new to a cat body. He doesn't even know how to use it. No, okay. So he's been a cat before. It wouldn't go in that direction. Usually us as human beings, when we are more balanced in ourselves, we don't project. We are not being judgmental anymore. We become guardian teams or angels. We rarely become animals. Our knowledge and our brains function in a different way than animals. And I think you must know that because we understand how to bend time, that thing, our actions have consequences. So we do understand the past, the present and the future. And my action have an impact on either one of these directions. directions. Whereas an animal is never thinking anything besides from now, right now. I'm here now. Your cat wouldn't consider what am I going to do four days from now? Or what did I do two years ago? It just thinks about the now. So usually you would never be a human being turning back to an animal, but more the other way around. Your cat could eventually become a human being. When you say that, it makes a lot of sense. More sense than whatever we've been joking about. But it's also, yeah, it is the personality. I mean, the extraordinary quirks and nuance of these creatures, particularly cats. It's a male cat living together with three females. That's right. Four, actually, because my other cat's a female. So it takes on your feminine energy as well. And maybe what you assume is more like a gay cat. It's so true. It's so true. He's so gentle too. He's like, we've never heard him hiss. He's never scratched. Like he's just a super gentle, sweet, sweet guy. Here he is. Okay. So any parting tips, guidance that animal lovers listening might benefit from, I welcome that. Because again, that viral tip, I mean, there's a reason that it was a viral tip and it's because it makes so much sense to regard and respect this animal that you adore with the same transparency of communication that you would your child or your partner. It just makes so much sense. I am going, I'll be back. But we imagine like, oh, it doesn't mean anything to them. But when the intention, right, this is what I understood, when the intention is there behind the words to communicate that you will be back and that you have a sense of when that will be, then somehow, you know, it gets in there. And it's just a magical bit of advice. So anything else that you want to make sure that folks listening know. And then I'd love for them to be aware of how they can learn, you know, unlock this gift and explore, you know, these very it's like very practical. The approach that that you have to transmitting questions and information. It is because telepathy is the easy part. In my masterclasses, the first exercise I give them is a closed envelope with an image inside. And I do a lot of practicing for a few minutes. And then I ask them what is in the envelope. And of course, any normal functioning human being would say, are you kidding me? I can't tell you what's in the envelope. So 95% of them are spot on the first time. So telepathy is the easy part. And if you are more interested in that, please go to my website. You can have that in the show note, right? Yes, for sure. I'll just Google my name. You're going to find me out there where I'm going to teach you how to practice this. But the basic tip when you're an animal owner and you want to dive more into that meditation, because when we silence our thoughts, we listen. We're more open to listening to what the animals have to tell us because I haven't met an animal yet who are not extremely communicative to their animal owners, but they don't trust what is being said. So I think when you silence and you quiet your mind and your everyday life, trust your gut, trust your intuition. Always the advice, right? It always comes down to that. And I think that we always already know, right? And there's nobody who needs that lesson with regard to pets more than I do, because I've done a lot of neurotic seeking in the form of healers and support. And in the end, yeah, trust my intuition around what it is that he's trying to tell me and what it is that he needs and what it is that is the nature of our relationship and the karmic dynamic. So beautiful. And I love that you're paying this forward and making sure that people have a resource to go deeper. So we'll make sure that that's in the show notes. And I want to thank you, Dita, for everything that you do and the grace with which you express an extraordinarily special and profound gift. Oh, thank you, Kelly. And thank you for having me on. Thank you.