Apple's $599 MacBook Neo; DRAM Pricing; Windows 12 Enshitification - Talking Heads Ep.423

Hey, YouTube decided to cooperate. The tubes are all clear. There's video on the screen. Oh, welcome to Talking Heads, everyone. And even more importantly, welcome to Mixology March, the month where we do cocktails all month long. Uh, episode what are we on? 423. Brought to you by Meter. More on them later in the video. Uh, I'm Jeff. >> I'm Rat. >> There you go. I know. Different cadence. I could see you're ready. You're ready to jump in with it. And >> I was clicking links. I was doing all this. My brain was off. I heard I heard your your call and my response was not there. >> There you go. Oh, welcome to the show everyone. Thank you all so much for watching on this Wednesday night or in podcast form over on Spotify or wherever your favorite podcasts are found. If you've never seen the show before, we talk beer, we talk home lab, we talk all things enterprise, consumer, gaming, whatever else we're interested in in the world of tech. Always a great show. Uh if this is your first time watching, thank you so much. Uh uh we do drink alcohol on the show, obviously this month being Mixology March. Uh, and if you're drinking along with us, alcoholic or not, cocktail or not, beer or not, uh, let us know in the chat, and we'll give some early show shoutouts as we go along. Last about jeez, last but not least, there we go. If you'd like to take part in the super secret chat or the even more super secret afterparty, think about joining the Patreon. Link is down in the video description. As a bonus, you'll get exclusive access to my Discord server where you can chat with myself, Rhett, uh Tom, Cheese, Vince, Matt. There's lots of people. We we've we've had a good range of hosts over the last couple of months and obviously the awesome community that hangs out over there. >> Bam. >> Welcome to the show. Welcome, Rat. >> Happy Mixology March to you. >> Yeah. Yeah. And with that in mind, I got to I got to make some people in chat feel a little bit better because some people are saying, "Oh no, it's Mixology March. Does that mean I have to make a cocktail? What am I going to do?" >> And guys, I'm right there with you. >> You're going to be lazy with the rest of >> tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'm going to I'm going to bring down the commitment level of tonight's stream. I thought about I'd even talked about, well, I could just drink some scotch neat. You know, it's not a cocktail, but >> but I wanted a beer. So, >> you know what? We don't discriminate on here. And so, like, like I said, al, you know, cocktail or not, beer or not, alcoholic or not. Let us know what you're drinking cuz that's always fun. Uh, so I guess we'll go with you. What are you drinking tonight while I >> So, I got something I got something a little different. I don't know. I've never had it, but it is a Terra beer all the way from South Korea. Um, Jeff, if you remember when you or I were in Taiwan, uh, my spouse was just getting back from a trip to South Korea. >> Yes, I do remember. >> And, uh, and of course, the girls were uh, you know, they they hit up some bars and some different things. And the beer that they landed on time and time again was this Terra beer from AGM. It is 100% real carbonated beer. Come on. There you go. Oh. Oh, my blurry background is doesn't want to cooperate. 100% real carbonated beer, it says, which I think is >> charming. >> Yeah, I like that, >> though. We're going to see. >> All right. Uh, we're going to get things started this month, uh, the way I like to start every cocktail month, and that is with an old-fashioned, but this time with a twist. Um, I I was watching YouTube shorts. I don't remember exactly who it was that I saw, but it was some cocktail channel that I had never seen before. Uh, and he gave me a deliciously evil idea. Uh, and so I'll explain that in a second. Uh, but we're going to make an oldfashioned. Um, for that, I like a rye whiskey. Uh, I I always prefer rye. It's a little punchier, a little spicier uh than bourbon. And bourbon's just a little bit too sweet, I think, for this drink in general. But whatever, it's an oldfashioned. Enjoy it the way you like. Uh we are going with Cascade Range Broken Top Whiskey. Uh this is a uh distilled in Sisters, Oregon, so fairly local to us. Uh on the the road out to Bend. Uh this is their Ridgeline Rye. It's an 88 proof uh a blend of straight rye whisies, which is a weird way of saying a blended whiskey, but a rye whiskey. Uh, so we're going to do 2 and 12 o of that into our little stirring glass here. And sorry, I don't have a second camera. It's so much of a pain to set up a second camera. >> He doesn't even want to put in the work for Mixology March either, guys. I I don't and I I I'm ashamed to say I didn't do any B-roll of my last of my first cocktail uh that's coming out tomorrow on the main channel, but we're doing, you know, stainless steel on both, so it's not really a show. Anyway, I don't know where my crystal mixing glass went. It's missing. I don't know. Um, we're going to do we'll do about three dashes of our Angora bitters. I'm going to add a little shot of Peso's bitters because I I want it I want the bitters punched up a little bit and I'll and this is why here in a second. So, I'm going to do a couple of dashes of peso as well. Um, the simple syrup. This is where we get a little evil. Um, so this guy gets on YouTube shorts and he goes, "Hey, if you like uh stouts and coffee, uh, then then you'll probably like like this this drink." And he held up an oldfashioned and I went, "Oo, what are you going to do? Toss coffee lour in there?" Oo. And he goes, "So, first up, take a can of Guinness and reduce it on the stove for 20 minutes." Oh, here we go. Okay. Make your simple syrup from that. And >> I used a Bourbon County stout. >> Nice. It almost feels sacrilegious, but let's let's see how it goes. >> It feels sacri it it felt sacriiggious, but oh my god, it smelled so good when I was doing this. So, I got this up to about 185 Fahrenheit. um about 85 Celsius or so. Um and I let it simmer there for about 15 minutes. Uh and then I added one and a half times uh uh some turbanado sugar. >> Um the smell on this, >> it looks good. >> It It is so >> It almost looks like something you want to glaze like some ribs or something in, you know? >> It would be incredible for that. It looks like >> little salt and garlic in here as well. Like you could easily transform this into a marinade or a glaze. >> Uh but this is a Bourbon County Stout reduction simple syrup. >> It's a 2025 Bourbon County stout. >> All right. >> Uh which is awesome cuz they make those in the 10 and 12 oz bottles now or the 10 oz bottles, little stubbies. >> Okay. >> So this didn't cost me $35 to make either. It cost me about 750 I think is what it ended up being uh for one of those little studies. So we're going to do a little over a half but a little less than 3/4 because this is a pretty potent syrup. So we'll call it 2/3 of an ounce uh of of simple syrup. There we go. We're going to give that a stir. Sorry for the audio in advance. Can't hear anything on my end. Yeah, Zoom's got some pretty good noise reduction. Uh, this microphone is other than that unfiltered going out to to YouTube. So, you know, you know those toys, the automatone? >> Oh, yeah. >> They're like the >> Yeah, the yellow guy. >> Yeah. >> I I was doing a podcast once and I thought it would be really funny to use an automatone live in the recording, but we were recording it over Zoom. >> Yeah. >> And people are like, "Oh, that's a cute toy you're holding up." And dude, it took like it took literally the entire episode until I realized like they couldn't hear it. Zoom heard the automatone making music. >> Yeah. >> And then just filtered it out. >> So, we got our craft computing rocks glass here. >> And >> oh, that's the same one I've seen on craft computing. >> That's right. Uh, and as you can see, a super rich dark amber color. Uh, and it is nearly completely opaque. Like I cannot see through. >> It looks like a glass of Coke, honestly. >> Yeah, it it's around that same color. Maybe a hair lighter, but way denser. >> Like like it's it's a half tone lighter in color, but very similar to like a watered down Pepsi kind of color. >> Uh >> let's see. Let's see what it does. >> Okay. Uh we're also going to add a bourbon aged uh bading cherry. Uh, also grown right here in Oregon. Green has a $5 super chat that I think has to be read while you're doing this. He says, "Took the alcohol out of the beer, then put the beer back into the alcohol." Precisely. It is kind of ironic, isn't it? >> Y. >> Uh, and then we're also going to do a little swath of orange here. So, see if I can get into this one. There we go. I have mutilated this orange over the last three or four or five days uh making different cocktails in preparation for this month. So, this is a well-loved orange that will need to be eaten tomorrow. Uh but we'll spritz the oil that around the top. Give that a nice little fancy twist. Drop it on in. And that is a Bourbon County stout reduction simple syrup old-fashioned. Happy mixology March everyone. Uh and I did see early on uh Skull, one of our long long time moderators. Uh uh uh. Hey all, Old Glory pinup barrel-aged gin. Yum. Uh Negroni for me to start off Mixology March. Uh happy coincidence. My next drink is a Negroni. So, we're we're going to we're going to go tip for tat on that one. Uh Rev is having a Writtenhouse rye private single barrel. Oh my gosh. Uh bottled and bonded rye old-fashioned made with blood orange. my friend. Fantastic choice. Uh you can see the mods are are really into Mixology March with me. Uh I got another super chat from Jay. Uh $2. Thank you so much. This is going to be a much happier show. I can tell. Did you watch the show last week? >> I caught a I caught a little bit of it, but no, I didn't watch the whole thing. So, oh my god. Ah, sorry. I forgot how good this is. Um, so, uh, yeah, for like the last six weeks, I don't think we talked about a positive story. Um, >> yeah, it's been pretty rough, right? >> It's been a rough patch, right? And uh so the last show that you were on uh remember I started off and said it's going to be a great show. We're talking about this. Oh, that's not so great. Oh, we're talking about this. Uh that sucks, too. Oh, you can join the Discord. Ah crap, that's controversial now, too. Nah, we had nothing to talk about that was good. And I was looking at news for the next show. And it was all garbage as well. Like it was more RAM shortage, more AI, more more data centers, more water being boiled off, like everything that goes with that conversation. Plus the economy sucks. Plus we're going to war. Plus blah blah blah. It's like, is there anything that we can talk about that's halfway positive? And so I challenged Tom and he goes, "Oh, sure. I'll I'll get some positive stories." We started the show and neither of us had anything. And so we went, "Screw it. Ask us anything. Anything else?" >> Nice. Nice. >> Um, this week's a little more positive. Um, I mean there's still a whole bunch of crap we got to sift through, but uh, Apple came out with a new laptop, uh, a budget laptop. Apple is now the budget premium laptop manufacturer. Um, in a time where shortages are jacking up everyone else's prices, it is such upside down world. Not only that, but Apple answering the consumer call for a less expensive device. Are you kidding me? >> Seriously, the world is upside down. >> Yeah, it's weird. Um, yeah. Every car manufacturer is shooting for nothing but luxury buyers and and Apple of all people is is digging the bottom of the barrel making Chromebook competitors. Like I mean all you got to do right now though if you're in that boardroom is just be like guys what if we bundled the stands with the monitors at a reasonable price? >> It's what another $4 on aluminum? Like come on. >> No, that's too much. We can't do that. Let's just give them a good budget tier laptop instead. >> You know what? You know what? Um, what if we gave them the option to choose either the aluminum feet or the wheels and we charge the same price for either? Like I know we have to add the bearings. Okay. I don't know. >> It's exciting times. >> Oh, wow. >> Good, huh? that stout is in there. >> How does it how does it play with like the what you would expect with like a regular old-fashioned? >> Um, a regular oldfashioned, like I said, I I much prefer a rye whiskey. Um, I'm much like bourbons, you get green apple and then you just sweeten them and no matter how many bitters you add, it's it's not like punching up any any nonsweet flavors. And so a lot a lot of times like a bourbon oldfashioned will end up take tasting almost like an apple pie versus you know spicy caramel woody you know uh on top of you know cinnamon and and and things like that. Um, so this one with the Bourbon County syrup, um, I will say it it dulls out a lot, and I mean a lot, of that that rice spiciness that I really like. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, but uh, Rogue, may they rest in peace, uh, made because they were a brewery and a distillery, they they made all their own whiskey, all their own beer and whatnot, they would constantly do barrel-aged stouts. So, a, you know, stouts aged in their whiskey barrels, >> but then after they ran those, they can't use those barrels again. uh for that process. So they would take some of their whiskey and age it in the barrels that aged their stouts that aged their whiskey that aged their stouts. Um and so you ended up with a stout finished whiskey. And while it was really expensive for what it was was like $100 a bottle. >> Yeah. >> It was pretty darn solid. and and you got still some of the notes of of that rye, but you got like this this back sweetness and and a little coffee and a little chocolate um and what not integrated into your whiskey. Um this is like that but like twice as good. Um, like the the Rogue whisies were always a bit harsh. Like they they >> Yeah, >> they were one of those distilleries that always tried to to fool time with like special aging techniques and things like that. And you just can't fool that mellowing period, es especially, you know, pre four or five years. Um, and so while it was like a really good flavor, it always was a little bit harsh. This is like a really phenomenal rye whiskey. The the Cascade Broken Top is amazing. Um, so I'm I'm getting that that cinnamon that that all spice that that little bit of a bite right up front, but the syrup is mellowing it out quite a bit. like it's still there, but it's it's dulled to like a seven, I would say. >> But then on the back end, I'm getting that coffee and I'm I'm getting that that super rich caramel and and dark chocolate that that the 25 bourbon stout had. Um And it's almost chewy like with it's it's so dark. I with with a lot of like pastry stouts and whatnot. You'll you'll take a drink and and you finish going cuz it feels like you need to chew the brownie that's in your mouth. This has almost that same kind of effect. It's such a rich flavor. I feel like there should be some substance to it that I need to chew. >> Sounds pretty good. Man, that turned out well. And like I said, because the the BCS bottles come in four packs of Stubbies now >> for $30, >> that only cost me 750 plus the the turbanado sugar. >> Perfect. >> I will say something incredible that I did not expect. Um because usually what I will do to make like turbanado syrup or or demorara, you know, like a a rich dark uh syrup. Um is you get the water up to about, like I said, about the 185 that I simmered the stout at. Um but then once you pour the sugar in, it takes like five minutes at that heat, constant stirring to dissolve all those little crystals. Um, the Bourbon County stout ate that sugar in less than 30 seconds. >> Wow. >> Like I I I I made the reduction and then I added the the sugar and it literally vaporized. It it I have never seen the sugar react that quickly or melt that quickly and dissipate than it did in that syrup. Well, sounds like an experiment gone horribly right. >> Uh, the one Kia says, "Have you tried your canar or your blood wine recently?" Um, they are both still on the shelf. Uh, where' the blood wine go? Oh, yeah. Blood wine's up there. I I still have the blood wine. I only bought one blood wine, but I did buy two canars. Um, the canar was good. I'm not going to say it was great. It It was good for the specialty wine that it was. Um, and I really bought it for the bottle cuz that bottle is freaking incredible. Um, in fact, it the empty canar bottle is still sitting on my bar top just because it looks pretty. Um, but it w it wasn't worth the what, $80 a bottle or something like that that I I paid for those. It was expensive. Um, I've heard the blood wine is a little bit better. Uh, but it's it's just uh it's just a pino noir and it's not a real expensive one. So, >> heck yeah. >> Yeah. Uh Jay, $5. I almost love the MacBook Neo, but 8 gigabytes of RAM. Tim, you're effing killing me. Uh I will never recover. Uh but at least I'm not dramatic about it. Um let's talk about the MacBook. Um, uh, Apple launches the MacBook Neo, a line of laptops, uh, not using their M series processors that they have on all their their PCs thus far, but instead using the, uh, Apple Bionic A18 or the Apple A18 processor. Um, and uh, basically it's the same processor that they used in the iPhone 16 last year. Um it's it's very much a mobile phone processor. Uh but it is faster than the MacBook M1 uh from late 2020. Um and uh honestly CPU-wise that laptop still holds up today. Uh multi-threaded uh this is a six core versus the M1. The original M series MacBook uh was an 8 core. Uh these two devices essentially tie on multi-threaded speed. Uh but the uh the A18 is somewhere between 30 and 70% faster in single threaded tasks depending on the workload um than the M1 was. So it's a little bit snappier and about the same multi-threaded performance as the M1. Um, I was still using the M1 last spring. Uh, the only reason I bought a new laptop is we were heading to Taipei and I was going to need to do some serious video editing while I was over there. And so I bought a base model uh M4 MacBook Air and it's been fantastic. It was a fantastic upgrade. But for daily driving tasks, the M1 was still all I needed. Still with only 8 GB of memory. Uh I I had the the base model MacBook Pro uh in the M1. Um it's got plenty of processing power and a lot of people are going to bulk at the 8 GB of memory. Okay. Uh let me tell you what I'm doing right now. I have Chrome with probably about 35 tabs open uh in in other windows. >> I have Firefox. I have OBS Studio which is encoding this live stream uh and broadcasting it to you all. Um I've got the Zoom call in the background uh and that's how Rhett and I are talking. I've got Zoom. I've got Discord. Um I've got what else is running? Uh obviously Mac OS itself. Um I have a whole bunch of system tray tasks. um from a uh screen snap utility to um I have IAT menus running up there because I'm a PC nut and I I love seeing all the stats and and memory allocation and things like that. This is a 16 gigabyte uh M4 Mac Mini base model. Um I am using uh five and a half gigs. Wow. Andy's even he's mining for Bitcoin and >> you know >> um yeah uh or sorry I sorry I am using more than that. Uh I I was thinking 8 gigabyte. No this is 16. Uh I am using about 12 gigs of memory. >> Um I have I have 3.9 gigabytes free. Um, and that's lots of multitasking. If you are someone who uses their laptop to access your web browser or your email or want run one application at a time and honestly on a laptop, that's what most people do. Um, most pe I mean I've got a 34inch ultra wide to hold all of these up and open at the same time. Um, but uh honestly outside of video editing, 8 gigs was still enough on my on my MacBook Pro. Um, SSD swap space is a thing. Yes, things are going to run a little bit slower if you're using a lot of swap space. Um, I did watch a a brief introduction of the MacBook Neo uh by MKBHD uh Maris Brownley over there. Um, and he took words right out of my mouth in in his intro. If you're the kind of person who thinks they might need more than 8 gigabytes of memory, uh, this product isn't for you. If if you're the kind of person who says, "Oh, it's only as fast as an M1." This product isn't for you. If you're a person who is a content creator or or a you know seasoned professional that is using this for this product isn't for you. Um this is an entrylevel device. If you're the kind of person who uses a Chromebook or an iPad or runs everything on your phone uh or just needs to access a web browser. >> Maybe you're a freshman in college. >> Maybe you're a freshman in college. M maybe you're maybe you're shocker not a gamer. Maybe you're not you know >> no those don't exist, >> right? Maybe you just need this to type up papers or buy things on Amazon or you want something on your lap that's a little comfortable. Uh you like the multitasking ability of Mac OS. You don't really like iPad. Hey, cool. This is a traditional computer experience. Guess what? This might be for those people. I mean, it seems like a great price point. You can't beat that right now. >> $5.99 for a full metal and and from all the first impressions that I've seen, uh, built just as well as every other MacBook that has always started over $1,000. Um, the original white MacBook was garbage, and everyone agrees with that. But as soon as they went full unibody aluminum construction on all of their laptops, Apple has been the only brand with I think top tier manufacturing. Um, everyone else probably gets a B+ because you're cutting corners somewhere. Every maybe Razer is up there with them as far as fit, finish, longevity. Um because app Razer uses a very similar process that they're using unibody aluminum construction all metal laptops etc etc. Most of the all metal laptops that I've touched from you know the LG Graham which is supposed to be their thin and light or the uh Asus has some Zenbooks that are that are incredibly thin. Um, there's always some plastic components on them that just feel cheap somewhere. Whether it's the bezel around the screen, uh, or the hinge covers or there's always some component >> that feels $500 less expensive than that laptop was. Um, since Apple went full unibody, Apple has been the creme de la creme of laptop manufacturing. Um, and from what I understand, this is every bit of that. >> Um, I mean, that's exciting and it's needed in this market right now. It couldn't have come at a better time. >> Mhm. >> You know, I mean, yeah, precisely. No, this could not have entered the market at a better time. Um, honestly, if I didn't need to edit videos, I'd probably go with one of these. That's me. Like, video editing is the only thing I think that will be a problem even in my workflow. Um, you know, yeah, it doesn't have 16 gigs of memory. Mac OS is downright magic when it comes to to swap file utilization. Um, that that's what uh Beasy said in chat. He said uh he goes, "Yeah, well, it's not running Windows 11, so 8 gigs of memory should be enough for most basic tasks. I've seen Windows 11 use 8 gigs by itself." >> Yeah. No, I I have booted up brand new PCs with 7.9 gigs of utilization in Windows 11. Brand new PCs. >> Well, it's kind of like what they were saying on the um PC World show the other day. Were they saying this? Maybe I saw a short from the PC World guys where they're just saying like, >> you know, you you build up your computer and you got this you you got all the fastest parts in it and you boot up Windows and it's like this ain't snappy. This ain't fast. What am I doing? >> Mhm. >> Uh and that's that's Windows right now. Yeah. >> That's why nobody wants to use it. That's why you switched to Linux for so long. That's why you're on a Mac right now. >> Precisely. >> It's just bonkers. I mean, it's like, you know, I keep I I keep saying to myself, well, you know, I got everything locked and loaded on Windows and I play games, so like, yeah, I got to I got to stick on Windows, but like also I play a lot of games on my Steam Deck, which isn't Windows, you know? >> Right. >> So, I don't know. I >> I asked my wife today um not in prep to buy her one of these MacBooks, although I did consider it. And luckily my daughter who doesn't watch the show, but uh my daughter's going into high school this next year. Probably she's going to get one of these MacBooks. Uh cuz she's still rocking Oh, no. 8 gigs isn't enough. Um she's still rocking a 2016 MacBook Air, I think, with 4 gigs of memory. A dual core i5. So, two core, twothread, i5 Intel lowvolt CPU with 4 gigs of memory. She's running Chrome. She's checking her email. She's writing up documents. She's chatting with friends uh on on on Facebook and FaceTime. She's works just fine for her. >> Cool. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know what they say, whenever young person finally needs to upgrade from 4 gigs of RAM, that's when you have a problem. So, >> yeah. >> Yep. Um, and Jay says, "Uh, well, if you need, uh, uh, if he needs 16 gigs of RAM, just charge me more." Sold. Well, the problem is an extra 16 gigs of RAM, um, is probably $100 at this point. And they're probably not going to do that on the base model cuz Apple being Apple. The there's two models of this available. There's only two models, by the way. There is the base model at $599 with the A18 processor, 8 GB of memory, 256 GB of storage, and two USBC ports. Um, there's also the uh $699 model, which includes 512 GB of storage and Touch ID on the keyboard, so you can do the fingerprint reader. lame. >> Um there's no memory upgrade. There's no storage upgrade beyond that. Like those are those are your two options. Um the reason being is late as as recently as a couple months ago, they were selling their MacBook Air M4 for $8.49. prices have dropped so much you could walk into Costco as I did a year ago uh and buy an M4 MacBook Air uh with 16 gigs of memory, 256 gigs of storage uh and running that M4 for 849 bucks. So, it doesn't make sense to add another $100 just in memory cost to a $700 laptop to get it to 800 when for the last year there's been a competitor $50 more, which is twice of everything. But I'm excited for this and and I think Look, we as tech people, it's really easy to, well, that would never work for me. >> Yeah, >> that doesn't mean it's bad. And and I I mean, you know me, I harp all the time on maybe this product isn't for you, and that's okay. It >> probably is for someone else. Um, uh, I've got a video coming out tomorrow of of a product that is probably not for everyone, but there's a niche community, um, that is going to love this product and love the price. Um, even though it's got some things that I think are way too expensive. Um, uh, I don't want to spoil anything about tomorrow's video because it's a fun video. Um, but uh I don't like the CPU choice and you only get one CPU choice and you only get one graphics card choice and even though it's using a standard graphics card, it's not really upgradeable or expandable because of the way they implemented it. And there's just things about it that I don't like. However, the price is freaking amazing for the hardware that you get. So, watch tomorrow's video. Um, you hear that, folks? Make sure you subscribe so you don't miss it. >> Mhm. Yeah, it's exciting. I think it's cool. I think it's well timed. Feels like a good uh good >> I don't know, return to form for Apple. We'll see. You know, uh >> this is new form for Apple. Apple's never been in a budget position before. >> Well, you know, I guess I always You're right. I guess I I was thinking more along the lines of the type of product that Yeah. For some reason, I'll just I had like the G1 uh Macintoshes like locked in my brain for some reason as being like >> the kind of like de facto home PC or whatever for a long time. >> It's like everybody seemed to have have one at one point, you know. >> Um I I don't know how much those cost, so I don't know why I said anything. >> Are you talking the old bubble iMacs? The G3s, >> right? Yeah. Oh, G3s. I said G1. Yeah, the G3 iMacs. Yeah. >> Um, yeah, there there was a um a period in time where a lot of people had those. Uh, the iMac debuted as like the fun new product. It was one of Steve Jobs first things that he introduced uh in his return to Apple in what was that 97 98 something like that, >> right? Um, and uh, gosh, I I want to say they started at like $1,300. Like, okay. >> Like, and that was that day's money. Uh, you know, um, and and so, you know, you could probably easily double that today. So, $2,600 PC. >> Um, >> what's funny is they were actually very popular in the education market. Um, and so a lot of schools ended up buying complete sets of those because it was actually cheaper to buy the iMac as a fairly expensive, you know, Macintosh >> platform. Yeah. >> Versus spending, you know, $1,000 on on a PC from Compact or or Hacker or Dell or Gateway or whoever you bought them from, e- machine. Um, but then CRT monitors were not inexpensive. Like $3 $400 easily uh for a lot of CRTs, right? >> Um, and uh, you know, flat panel wasn't a thing, but you know, you you want a a new 17inch monitor. They started at $300. >> Good lord. >> Um, and >> nobody had 17inch monitors, though, Jeff. Come on. If you're out of school, what? >> 14. 14. Yeah. twelves a lot of times. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Um but you know, so because they were allin-one, because they were easy to use, um a lot of schools went to those. The only ever time I can think of Apple being a budget choice is actually the continuation of that story because there were there were two different revisions of the G3. There was the original 300 mehertz G3 trayload Mac OS 9. It got a little bit of a spec bump and a little bit of a of a remodel. uh the year or year and a half after that with the introduction of OSX. Um and that was like doing a slot load design and and whatnot, but same prices and I think it got a spec bump to like five or six00 megahertz. >> Um the year after it was either 2000 or 2001, might have been O2. Um but but you know shortly thereafter they actually introduced the EMAC which was a G4 uh 700 MHz processor. I don't remember how much memory but a giant acrylic unibody shell casting um with a 17inch CRT integrated into it. I think for a thousand bucks. >> Wow. Okay. >> Yeah. Um and those were insanely popular. H yeah, I guess you know my mind just goes there because like you know when I was a kid I I you know my dad went into fries and said I need a computer for work and I need something that's always going to work and they said well obviously you need to go Apple. So he came home with a G3. Yeah, >> I guess I just assumed they were a little bit more affordable than that, which I mean it sounds like >> for the day for the day they were they were a bit more expensive, but in a lot of ways um in a lot of certain tasks um and and this is where Apple started to get known on the creative side of things for running things like Photoshop um and whatnot. If you were a visual artist, uh, which wasn't even a term back then, if you were a photographer, um, and you needed to digitally airbrush something, um, you likely ran Photoshop and you likely ran on a G3 or a G4 Mac. Um, you know, and and that's that's really where the era of, well, if you're a creative type, you probably want to run Apple because they're just better at that. And the truth of the matter is they've always been better at that. Um, but you know, 2000 you could buy a, you know, 1.4 GHz at the by the end of 2000, you could buy a 1.4 GHz pennium 3. Uh, versus Apple's G3s were coming in at 300 to 600 MHz. Uh, and so there were some raw performance tasks that Pennium 3 was kicking Apple and taking their lunch money. However, Apple has always done like these unique instruction sets with their processors, whether they're through Motorola uh or or whoever else or they've included, you know, co-processors for for certain applications or certain math functions. Um, they've always excelled in a couple of different areas. Uh, you know, faster than than the PC equivalents. Yeah. The only downside is that having one in my house delayed my entry into PC gaming pretty significantly. >> But you know, >> well, we're happy to have you late later than never. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They did have a really great game on those G3s. It was called Nanosur. Wonder if anybody in chat remembers that one. That game was It was so sick, dude. >> Yeah. You played as this like Veloci Raptor that >> Yeah, dude. and you explored this threedimensional map and picked up like different weapons and like had to blast dinos and you had to collect one egg from each type of dinosaur and get it back to this portal before the asteroid came and blew up the planet. >> Yeah. >> So cool. And it didn't matter that you only had a 20-minute time limit. I played that game over and over and over. 20 minute time. Yeah, baby. Dude, I found uh like a port of it that you could play directly in this like web app a couple years ago. >> It's probably on archive.org. >> Yeah, it probably is. >> Yeah. >> Uh yeah, that game was so sick. And like uh yeah, you could see you got your basic laser blaster equipped there. >> Yeah. Uh the velociraptor has a jetpack because of freaking horsey does. >> Yeah. And and you have a certain amount of fuel you can use and you have to go and and find fuel to fill up your jetpack and find bullets for your gun. And there's like you got the basic laser, then you got like the the kind of like set your thing to stun kind of blaster, and then you got like missiles and different things. And dude, yeah, game was so good. Yeah, Rev knows it. That game was the [ __ ] Yeah, >> it was so cool. It always really pissed me off because I played it so hard. And one time my cousin came over, >> played it once, and obliterated my high score. Just obliterated it. And I could never beat it. I was so pissed. Like he got to portions in that game like different land areas that I'd like never even seen. Fought dinosaurs that I'd never even seen. I was like what? >> Yeah. >> Your first try. Come on, man. >> Anyway, >> you're Bob and he's your Mr. Ponucci. >> Yeah. Or who who was the one across the street? That wasn't that Ponucci was uh was Fry. It was Futurama, right? God. Who was? Oh gosh. Jimmy Pesto. He's your Jimmy Pesto. >> There you go. >> I don't know, man. I like the Futurama references more, but yeah, >> it's all right. >> Yeah. >> So, there you have it. New Mac. >> New Mac. >> New Mac. >> Uh, it might not be for you, but this thing is going to sell like bonkers. >> I hope it does. Yep. Uh Vince, uh circle rewind sends over $20. Uh HTTP error 423 locked. You cannot change your RAM now or ever. You'll be locked into 8 gigabytes until the heat death of the universe. Thank you, Vince. Yeah, it's uh I have a really good joke about the RAM crisis, too. Yeah. What is it >> in tomorrow's video? >> Oh, h let's see. Copy and cynicism. Uh Intel Core M series 12-inch MacBooks. Uh at Craft Computing. I loved the 12-inch MacBook. Um uh some of you know I I daily drove that one of those for three years. I freaking loved that thing. uh if that was in response to our budget conversation. Um that thing was not budget. In fact, the 12-inch MacBook came at a premium. Um cuz they had to use Intel's Ultrabook processors, which were the CoreM series, which all they were were highly bend processors. So, they do like 5 watts. Um and but they could turbo to like 2.2 GHz for, you know, 15 seconds at a time. Uh but beyond that they're running at like 1.1 GHz. Um so they were super battery efficient but horrendously slow. Um and uh I think I had 8 gigabytes on that laptop as well. But that form factor is absolutely killer for for what I used mine for. And thank you Vince for the super chat. 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Uh we're going to I don't know if we'll do the podcast from there again. I in fact I don't know when or where the the podcast on the 18th is going to happen. Um, but uh yeah, we'll we'll be in San Jose and uh one of those days, either Tuesday or Wednesday, we will be making a a trip to 55 South. >> Boom. Yep. We got to do it. >> Yep. >> The pilgrimage, if you will. >> Yep. Uh home of one of my favorite bars and probably my favorite bartender. >> Perfect. High praise coming from Jeff. >> Yes. Um, in fact, uh, tomorrow's video is featuring a cocktail that he taught me. >> So, >> Oh, really? Okay. >> I I I walked in, we walked into the bar. >> Um, and uh, first thing I did was order an oldfashioned and he goes, "Coming right up." Uh he goes bourbon arai, you know, like and and he's talking to me the whole time and and he's >> not like doing like the fancy like over the back pores or things like that, but dude is obviously like just locked in with with what he's doing and what he knows. >> If he had done the over the back pores, you would probably not like him as much. >> Overkill trying too hard. >> Precisely. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um yeah, you're making more of a mess than a cocktail. Um but uh you know, talking to me the whole time and and whatnot and here you go. slides me an old fashioned and it is fantastic. Um that's what I do when I go to a new bar. Make me your oldfashioned. >> Uh maybe a good metric. >> Make me a fantastic old fashion. Um so uh I sit down at the bar and uh it's uh me and George uh chips and cheese and uh I say, "Hey um what do you got for rye drinks?" Like I looked through the menu and I'm like it's a bar menu. I said, "What do you got for ry drinks?" And he goes, "Oh, what kind of rye do you like?" Um, so, uh, you know, oh, you know, give me a written house or a bullet rye or, you know, um, you know, a bullet single, uh, rye is is even better. Uh, you know, give me something spicy, something good, but something that'll surprise me. And he goes, "Okay, I I could do that." And he goes, "Have you had this? Have you had that? And you had that?" And he's throwing out all these different cocktails. I'm like, "I've had that. I have that. I make that like three times a week. Come on. Like, challenge me and he goes, >> "Give me something hard." >> He goes, "All right." So, uh, he walks beyond the bar. Uh, he comes back with a bottle of Jennifer, a bottle of punts, a bottle of, uh, appperol, and a bottle of rye. Uh, and he makes me what's called a Chicago typewriter. It is hands down one of my favorite cocktails now. Um, and uh, we're making a Chicago typewriter on the show tomorrow. So, or on the tomorrow's video. I had the Chicago Typewriter yesterday because that's when I filmed it. >> Perfect. Well, we get to watch you enjoy it tomorrow. So, >> Chicago typewriter, >> no sugar. Uh, oh, and you do you do two dashes of bitters. Um but uh it's it's just four different spirits appertifs mixed together uh including genevir which is the precursor to gin. Uh gin is what genevir turned into after you know a century of of dist distillation. >> Interesting. So, modern cocktails, you can sub it out for uh usually a dry gin is what they consider uh not a botanical, but but a good dry gen. But, uh oh, hey, Cybex's in the chat. Cybec actually came and saw us at 55 South uh last time I was I was downtown. So, uh >> they were literally just asking. They're like, "Santa, tell me where." >> Yeah, exactly. >> Hey, did I freeze? What the hell? >> Your your video did freeze. >> Well, yeah. >> All right. Great. And it's not on my end. I was just looking over there going, "Oh god, are we dropping frames?" Nope. Zero frames dropped the whole show. >> Completely frozen. >> Wow. >> It's Zoom. Yeah. >> Uh >> oh. >> My Zoom window is frozen. >> Uh mine Okay. Yeah, mine is still good. Um if you need to drop and uh and reconnect, we can certainly do that. So, uh, okay, he's disconnecting. Uh, Cybec, uh, it's either going to be the 17th or the 18th. Uh, so that Tuesday or Wednesday. Um, I'm not sure what time yet, but I will personally ping you and let you know, uh, once we figure that out. Uh so we're going to be in uh in San Jose just for the 3 days uh Tuesday, Wednesday, and then we're leaving Thursday morning to come back home. So literally a 48 hour swing. H Let's see. Let's get the chat brought back up here. Cool. Uh Rhett Froz looking thoughtful. one of the best faces to have. He was just mesmerized by the chat. What's funny is sometimes he will just kind of like lean in and he will go completely still and that's what he's doing. He's either reading the article or or reading the chat. Um and it freaks me out sometimes that how still he gets. Syvic says that sounds grand. Excellent. Yeah, we will definitely see you there. Um, yeah, Syc had a couple cocktails with uh me and Jordan uh when we did a show, gosh, late last summer, last August, something like that, I want to say. Uh, we were down there. I think I made six trips to the Bay Area last year. All right, I've got Rhett back in my ear possibly. Uh, I see he reconnected, but uh, no video feed yet. So, we'll just, uh, keep on pretending he doesn't exist. In fact, what I might do is kill that meeting and we'll just start a new one. There we go. All right, Rhett, if you're listening, you can go ahead and try to reconnect. We'll see if that works. God, I love live troubleshooting on the air. It's Rhett's serious face. Uh, he can't take bad pictures. Rhett's one of those people that really can't. Um, and I'll I'll say this while he's not on camera. Um, he's never a 10, but he's consistently an eight in in photos. Like, the dude doesn't have a bad angle. Uh, it irritates the crap out of me when I'm when I'm filming him cuz uh you get me from the side and I've got a really really tall head. Um, and and I'm out of proportion because I'm I'm almost 6'5. Uh, was six foot five during high school. I'm about 6'4 uh these days. But uh yeah, uh I've got some weird angles that that I don't look good from. He he looks good from every angle and he's only like three inches shorter. It just pisses me off sometimes. Maybe. Okay, I've I've got your audio back now, which is good. You're a black screen. I don't know. Ladies and gentlemen, Rhett Well, uh, standby. >> Standby. >> We'll get a There he is. >> What? Why is my picture so bad now? Oh god. >> What? >> This is me now. >> Yeah. What is going on? >> I don't know, dude. It's Zoom, man. Zoom crashed on me. It was so bad. >> Yeah. Uh, >> we need an AICG rat. Well, I could probably turn on the beauty filter. Like, >> we'll just kind of round we'll just kind of round him out. >> Yeah. Give me some eyeliner. >> Yeah. You'd be uh We should do like the anime uh filter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. What is going on here, man? >> Uh Trucker says now he's a four. And yet it still wouldn't turn Trucker away. >> Were Were Were Were Were Were Were Were Were Were Were you listening during the I don't think you were. You were probably troubleshooting. Um you'll have to listen to the reream of this. >> Oh, come on. All right. Fair enough. >> Yo, VTuber stream, lol. It's kind of bizarre what's going on. It's not like I have any crazy like network usage. >> Yeah. >> My memory usage is sitting at 25%. >> Yeah. No, it and and it's it's doing that on your preview window, isn't it? >> No, my preview window is fine. Oh, yeah. So, it's got to be >> Well, what the heck? >> Yeah. >> I hear I hear Kitty in the background. Yes. Kitty is so neglected. Uh that's that's Choco. Um that that's our other cat. I don't know if Choco's ever been on stream before. Um he is very elusive. Uh he he likes me and my oldest and that's it. Um so yeah, pet the kitty. Pet the kitty. Pet the kitty. Uh the kitty won't even come down to my office most of the time. Um, like for the first week we had him, uh, he slept in here in this office. Um, and then, you know, midway through the week, we introduced him and Rambo and and took him about a day and a half and and they could be in the same room together and then they were happy to be together and they've been thrilled ever since. Um, and once Choco discovered my my daughter's room, uh, that was it. He lives on her bed. He He loves her room. He will not leave her room. Um I go in there to give him scratches. Uh uh I see him in the hallway and I'll I'll see him on the stairs every once in a while. Uh but if if anyone other than myself or my oldest is in the room, he's gone like a lightning bolt. It's just game over. Uh Choco on video. Yes. I don't think on stream. Oh yeah. No. I I think we saw Choco when he was super little. um on on there. I I think that's the week he was living in this office. Um pet the kitty. Uh I wish I could. He He is such a sweet kitty. Zoom says it's only sending 20k. >> Interesting. >> What the [ __ ] cuz I also restarted my Zoom just in case. Um, so I I completely exited out and then and then started it back up. >> Um, well, maybe I should just restart al together. That's all I can think. Unless there's something going on. >> Yeah, >> something going on with my capture card, maybe. ever do underchin double-handed knuckle rubs? Of course, even my tortoise likes that. Uh yeah, I don't know if our tortoise has ever been on stream. Uh I' I've been trying to think of a gag that we can include the tortoise in a video for. Um whether it's an ad read or um I'll tell you if Lunar Lake was going to be a bomb, I was going to have the tortoise in the video and go, "Oh, look, here comes Intel's new product." That was my my initial thought. Uh of uh man, are they going to do a a repeat on on speed? Uh regardless of, you know, architectural improvements or whatever, Lunar Lake looks like it's going to be freaking phenomenal. um you know when it hits market in mass. But uh yeah, we got to think of something to get the tortoise in for. Uh I'll be right back. I'll just try a couple other things. >> Okay, sounds good. I can keep talking to chat. I've done it before. Uh no issues with the network other than Zoom. So yeah, I'd say just uh give it a restart. Um, it's like viewing the playback from a security camera, right? Make something like Sloki Turtle commercials from back in the day that made fun of DSL for being so slow. Oh, that's a good one. Uh, 1 hour and 5 minutes in, Firefox crash, says Michaels. Yeah. Um, so far, uh, the YouTube Studio app is cooperating. Um, I think YouTube made some backend corrections this last week to some basic features on the website. Um, and so I'm hoping things on YouTube have been better. Uh, if you remember about two weeks ago or so, YouTube crashed entirely for something like eight hours. Um it was just uh you could click on videos directly but the the homepage that actually serves videos um was completely broken. Um and as part of that even videos sometime if you had a direct link to a video it would completely freeze out. Uh it it would not autoplay when you open the video page. Um, and then if you hit play, it would just sit there and spin and eventually go black and say service unavailable or video unavailable or or things like that. While they got the website back up inside of about 8 hours, um, that video playback issue persisted for me for the better part of 10 or 12 days. I only noticed this week, as of like Monday, that YouTube seemed to be better. Um, so suddenly like on Monday it was better and all of a sudden on the YouTube studio page uh because if you remember for about the last you know six or eight weeks I've been complaining that man there seems to be a memory leak or some kind of CPU panic uh going on with the YouTube Studio page. If I leave it open for more than an hour it hard crashes Chrome. Um and in fact one time it's hard crashed my PC. Uh, my CPU utilization is sitting at 26% right now during the video stream and I have the YouTube Studio page open and it's playing the video preview and everything is great. So hopefully there's been some changes on YouTube's back end that uh fixes that issue. Uh, let's see. Uh, Beesne says, "YouTube would not work for me at all. Ended up watching a movie on jellyfan." Yeah. Uh, AWS lost entire AZs. Uh, it's just a flesh wound. Yeah, exactly. Uh, Michael says, "I wasn't able to find episode 404. That was months ago." Come on. There you go. Oh, there he is. You're zoomed in, but you're back. >> Yeah, well, I was like super zoomed out for some reason. It's like your thing forgot about me. >> Yeah, I'm here. I'm alive. >> He's back and in HD, no less. Good news, Rat. You're an eight. >> I'm back, baby. >> You're back to an eight, >> man. >> My second monitor isn't working all of a sudden. What is going on? >> Nobody should be forced to work under these conditions. >> Civic says, "Oh, so that's not just my Linux being weird." Awesome. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Um, let's see. Oh, you know what I was going to do? Where did that go? It's not down there. Oh, it's up there. Hold on. I got I got that. I'm here. I'll talk about Morowind. Let's go everybody. Mororrow. Mororrow win. Who's stronger? The Naravar, the hero of Kavach, or the dragon born? Uh, I got a package in the mail this week that I'm super excited for. Um, oh, >> Intel data center GPU. Uh, this is an Intel Flex 140. It is two Intel DG21 128 GPU diese, otherwise known as the Intel A380, but in enterprise passive heat sink single slot lowprofile form. Um, each GPU has 6 GB of GDDR6 and they are SROV enabled for VGPU cloud gaming. custom made for craft computing, >> right? Well, the ones I want are the Flex 170s, uh, which is the single Intel A770 GPU die. Um, but those are even more rare. This is the first time I've held one of these. Um, and I have been asking Intel for the better part of three years uh, for one of these GPUs. Uh, and they've always said no. And then I've contacted partners and said, "Hey, could I get a review server with this GPU?" And they say yes. And then last second they say, "Well, no. Uh, we're not going to send you one." Um, I did not get this through official channels. Uh, I'm going I'm not going to shout out by name, but I'm going to shout out the person who sent me these cards. There's more than one. Um, thank you, thank you, thank you. Uh, video probably in the next couple of weeks on that. >> Excellent. Always helps to have friends in all the right places. >> Mhm. Friends who wish to remain anonymous. Yakto. Oh, no. Yakto would be making me drink something. Yakto would have bought me a bottle of Malort and and made me drink it on screen. Like that's >> he would have had he would have had that that pickle syrup, >> right? >> All you got to do is >> reduce the pickle brine. >> You're going to add garlic and ginger to that. And then a teaspoon of brown sugar. And that is your pickle brine reduction syrup. Well, I am ready for cocktail number two. >> A negroni spagliato with procco in it, right? Like the meme. >> Come on. Like the meme, Jeff. >> A negroni is Kari. >> Yeah. It's just like, you know, when that House of Dragon House of the Dragon came out and like the two gals were the two people rather, one of them's non-binary. I forgot until just now. Anyway, the two people uh are like doing an interview and they're like, "What what's your favorite drink?" And like one of them's like, "Ah, a Negroni Spa." And then it's like, you know, the Oh, wow. With procco and Oh, stunning. That's what she said. Oh, stunning. >> One second. >> My beer, guys. While Jeff is doing that, I opened up the Spitfire Amber Ale from uh from San Brewing. Local here in Salem, Oregon. And I got to say, um, >> were you doing a pirate stout? >> No. No. No. Not the No. Spitfire. Amber. >> Oh, Spitfire. Okay. >> I looked right at my thing. I was like, "Oh my god, did I do is that why I'm not >> I I just saw the black the black can red label and uh and I went, "Oh, I know like just about >> I know three beers with that label." >> I love the Spitfire amber, >> but I bought these >> can and I don't know. I haven't been too happy with this batch. Uh like when you get it on draft, it's super good. But man, like I just drank this Terra beer, which everybody saw at the very beginning was super clear body, >> super light, but it was very crispy, very good, very refreshing. And now I'm drinking this and like this beer almost tastes stale in comparison. It's weird. >> Uh, no shade on CN. Maybe just a bad batch or maybe I stored the cans wrong or something cuz this is one of my favorite beers. The Spitfire ale. >> It's so good. >> But it's I don't This batch is off, man. because this is only my second one. I had one on the show a couple weeks ago or month a couple months ago. But eh >> I I had a Growler three weeks ago of Spitfire and it was it was great. >> I had it on draft not that long ago and it was great. You know, I don't know what's up with this can. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm just getting too much can taste too. I don't know. >> Could be. Could be. >> No shade on San. It's just not there. >> Yeah. And sometimes that happens, you know. >> Yeah. Um, anyway, we are going to make a Negroni, but I'm not doing the one to one:1 recipe. Um, I I like my Negronis a little bit different. Um, and so let me make sure I'm There we go. Okay. Um, so Negroni is typically one part gin, one part kari, one part uh, sweet vermouth. Um, and it's a fine drink. I'm not the biggest fan, especially of sweet vermouth. I really like dry vermouth. Um, uh, and usually if I'm doing something with vermouth in it, I I have that amount. Uh, so if I'm doing a Manhattan, instead of 212, I am doing two maybe half an ounce of uh of sweet vermouth. Uh, and then two dashes butters. Um, I I I I love dark wine. I don't like sweet sweet vermouth. I just don't. Um, so I'm going to build what I like to refer to as a modified negroni. Uh, this is my recipe. Uh so we're going to start off with instead of 1 oz of gin, 2 ounces of gin. Uh and for this I'm using just the Hrix standard gin. Uh fantastic bottle. >> The good stuff. >> Yeah. Uh if you see the Hrix Lunar, uh snag that as well. That is freaking phenomenal. And hold on. I just had need to go grab a rag. One sec. Another rag, everybody. Okay, that really reminds me of when I don't know. I was going to try to make a joke about the great houses of Morwin. I couldn't do it. I couldn't bring it in. I was going to mention Andoral Naravar when he was betrayed by VC and Alexia, but all of a sudden I couldn't remember the names of the great houses they were from. Have we gone through the entire Simmeron yet or? >> We're working on it. >> Okay. Uh, sorry about that. I, uh, had my [ __ ] set upside down and I forgot the last thing that I did was put that simple syrup in it and it was leaking onto my desk and so I picked it up and there's like a puddle in a perfect circle on my desk of uh, that Bourbon County simple syrup. Um, >> a perfect circle. >> Yes. >> Like the band All right. So, 2 ounces uh of Hendrick's gin. Uh we're going to do 3/4 of an ounce of Campari. So, we're cutting the Campari by quarter ounce. >> Why, Jeff, why are you doing this to us? >> I'm giving it a more balanced flavor. Um, I find when I drink a Negroni, um, it tastes like Camparian vermouth and not like gin. And I like I like the gin to do the talking and and lightly kissed by the Campari and the vermouth. And for the vermouth, we're going uh martini and rosie, but I am going extra dry vermouth. And we're going to do 3/4 of an ounce of that. So again, we're cutting that down, but we're doubling the amount of of gin. And then I also like to do literally just a splash, maybe a quarter ounce of of a simple syrup. And this is just my this isn't the Bourbon County syrup cuz I don't think that would go well. Uh this is a Deerara 2:1 simple syrup. So literally just a quarter ounce of that. Uh and then we're going to do two to three dashes of Peso's bitters. And there we go. March is always so messy. All right. And there we have a fantastic looking Negroni. I know riveting television as I'm >> swapping my chat. >> Yeah, I don't like >> You know, you could say things out loud every once in a while. >> No, I don't believe in that. >> You don't have to use your inside voice. >> Ah, Jay chimes in with $5. Okay. Mixology march almost famous equals parts mezcow, appperol, lime, and drum uh drami. Uh because it's only herbal uh I could find and naked and famous wild be chartreuse. Um so an almost famous equal parts mecal appperol and lime. Uh I do have mezcow. In fact, I bought a actually I guess mine is technically a tequila. Uh it is a uh Hornitos, but I did buy a barrel-aged tequila, like a smoked barrel-relaged tequila. Um it is fantastic and I bought that for a very particular drink. Um that we'll call the craft computing crowdsourced punch. Um, this is uh we started with like trying to make a mezzcow old-fashioned and what we wound up with was pretty darn delicious. Uh, so that'll be uh next week or the week after. I can't remember where I put that one. Uh, yeah. Anyway, Negroni, cheers, sir. >> That looks very good. Cheers to you. >> Happy mixology, Marge. to you and everyone following along at home. To me, that is so much more balanced. I I could still very much taste the vermouth, but because it's dry, it doesn't linger. It's not the only thing that I taste when I'm done with the drink. It It fades with the rest of it. Um the Campari is very much upfront. Um very punchy as it as it always is. Um and uh but the the gin is poking through and giving it this wonderful rounded earthy note to it. So you get like Campari right up front. You get gosh, what is that? What is this Jin even doing? >> Did we read Jay's super chat yet? >> I did. >> Okay, good. Yeah, definitely more of a subdued gin. Um, but the the spruce that I'm getting from that is literally like the tail finish of the Campari. So, it's going like Campari gin, like just a little breathy hint of what the gin is there. And then it's finishing with that vermouth, but like I said, because it's that dry vermouth, it's ending with the rest of the flavors. It's not lingering when it's done. It This is so much better. And then just that little hint of sweetness to tone it down ever so slightly. This is really good. Heck yeah. Yum. Well, I should have done a cocktail, but that's all right. >> We need to get bit get you back in studio, especially for Mixology March. That's the time to do it. Well, you know what? Maybe we'll be doing the show on the 18th together. Maybe I'll I'll have a cocktail then. >> Heck yeah. You haven't found exactly where we're going to do it yet. Um, it was very loud last time we we went to the the cocktail bar. So, >> yeah, >> you know, if the if the mood strikes us, maybe we'll literally just like sit on a street corner and and start shooting like >> now we're talking. >> That might be fun. >> H the old the they call that the old Salem podcast, you know. Oh no, there's a couple of white boys on the street corner with their cameras and roads microphones again. >> Here we go. But mom, didn't they ban roads for white boys? Yeah, but I don't know. >> Yeah, and they gave us broccoli haircuts in in concessions, >> dude. What's up with the broccololis, man? >> I do not know. >> It's so funny. Like, dude, I literally saw a pack of boys walking the other day and I was like, they all look the same. They all had the same clothes on. They all had the same hair. >> They're literally white girl Ugging right now. >> Dude, that is so funny to think about it that way. Oh my god. I mean, you know what? More power to him. you know, there there's safety and conformity, you know. Maybe they think they're being cool. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> I was I was anti- cool at that age. So, >> yeah. So, was I >> just >> not my choice. I just was >> Yeah. It's not like Yeah. Exactly. I didn't wake up and like, you know what? Nonconformity is going to serve me well in a few years. I'm gonna I'm gonna embrace it now. God, I didn't even realize I was counterculture. Just >> I didn't choose counterculture. Counterculture chose me. >> We're meeting same time next week for this therapy session. This has been good. >> Yeah, I know. It's been nice. Honestly, feeling catharsis right now. >> Uh anyway, let's get to some more news. Um, so the US Supreme Court declines to hear a dispute over copyrights for AI generated material. Um, I've talked at at some length about uh, you know, AI created images, computerenerated imagery, um, as it relates to copyright. and that is that technically speaking um a piece of art can only be copyrighted by an artist. Now that could be the company on behalf of the artist. So if you know an animator at Pixar creates a a a character, it can be copyright Pixar, but because it was created by an individual animator on beh. Um, however, a computer that generates an image algorithmically cannot be granted a copyright, nor can its employer, nor can its prompter, nor can. it has to go back to a human. It has to be human connected in creation and prompting is not good enough. Um and a circuit court uh ruled uh what was back in March of 24 2022 um that uh that was the case that uh an AI generated image um in this case uh an image by Steven Fowler um uh was submitted for a copyright and was rejected in 2018. or sorry rejected in 2022. Uh he then sued uh the US copyright office uh and and lost. The Supreme Court sided with the copyright office saying a human needs to be responsible for the art at least in a beyond more than measurable way. Um it can't be you prompted a computer and it can't be you cleaned up a computerenerated image. has to be the creation came from you whether or not it was aided by a computer. Like there there's an undefined crossover point of um a computer generating an image and you creating art with it or you creating art and then either aided by or enhanced by a computer. Is the output still? There's a lot of other art forms where we I think have found the consensus on what that is, right? Photographers obviously clean up their images with computers. Musicians obviously sometimes augment their sounds with computers >> or completely generate a sound, but they are still dictating >> right >> the output >> right >> directly. and and and and even if you sat behind a synthesizer plugin in your DAW and pressed random, unless that's all you're releasing every single time, you're still doing more with it. That's a piece of an arrangement. That's a piece of a larger composition. I mean, it's >> there's obviously a consensus to be made here. Um, but yeah, this guy didn't uh didn't meet the bottom of the the criteria. Yeah, >> I hate to give the Supreme Court too much credit, especially this Supreme Court, but it sounds like the right call if you're asking me. I mean, I >> I fully agree with this. >> There there there is a version of Rhett that laughs at copyright, you know, in general, the whole idea. >> Yeah. >> Um but, uh if we're going to have it and it's going to be the law of the land, then this is the right call. Um, so good on them and sucks to suck other guy. >> You heard it here first. >> Yeah. Um, and I mean I've I've gone I've I've done an entire video on the ethics of image generation uh when it comes to, you know, using AI art. And I don't believe AI is art. Um, but that doesn't mean AI can't be used in the creation of art at at certain steps. I I've I've defended storyboarding. I've I've defended um, you know, D&D campaigns. Uh, I I've defended a a number of different use cases um, both professionally and non um, that can benefit from AI generated imagery that are derived from a prompt and and at least guide it through. What I fall short of doing though is saying you should take the generated image and just publish that though. Uh, I'm okay with use cases like mine where I wanted to generate a background image uh and and use it as a set piece because then I'm not paying uh a photographer to go to a location and and photograph a thing. I'm not paying for a a 3D, you know, model of whatever I want to film in. that there are advantages to me as such a small creator um that and and I'm using it for like an outof focus area. I'm I'm going to produce content on top of an AI generated background, but I'm going to curate and modify that AI generated background. Um simply so it's distinct from everything else. Um, you know, I I showed like images of office spaces or, you know, boardrooms or city streets or something like that. I don't want a copyrighted image in that case. And and I'm not trying to copyright the image. If you want to use that image in your own things, you can totally do that. But why shouldn't I be able to film on top of something like that as literally a single person creator? >> I don't think Disney should be AI generating background images. I don't want to see AI generated imagery or or 3D scenes in the background of a Mandalorian film anytime soon. >> I want an artist to create that. If you're going to create art at a certain point, you can pay artists and and you can contribute to the generation of art. Yeah. Because in reality, I I say this all the time, but I think like uh I say this all the time, but uh the continued reliance and propagation of these tools is is only really serving to flatten the like the cultural sort of landscape of our day-to-day lives, you know, and it's like >> it's like >> artists who are going out there and creating something, >> you know, we've been taking it for granted for so long because we live in the age of like uh of of like postdigital scarcity in a sense, right? But like now all of our digital landlords are trying to like rent seek every single thing that we do. >> And before like we used to spend our time, man, like remember in the early odds it was cool to go to Deviant Art and scroll around and see the stuff that people were doing and like >> then it got posted everywhere on Facebook constantly and then it just propagated out into all these other places. But like, oh, we give this to the masses. people could just press a button and do this and like I don't begrudge like people for messing with it, experimenting it, having a good time. It's got its use cases. >> Yeah. >> Whatever. >> Um but yeah, then we see people who are like, "Well, I want to copyright this." It's like, "You copyright what what did you do?" >> Right. >> You know, it's like and I I don't want to like I don't want to put what the average regular artist is doing on like such a high pedestal, but like there is just something like uniquely human about doing this [ __ ] Like we don't we don't look at the cave paintings in France from you know 18,000 years ago or whatever the hell it was and be like well Chad GPT could have done it better like you know and and and and now they're finding even more. This is like a fundamentally human quality that we all share that we all enjoy that we all appreciate to the point where it's like we're literally going to the movies and paying people for the privilege of of seeing it happen at the pinnacle of the form. >> Yeah. And so some jerkoff comes in and I'm gonna copyright this. Get out of here, dude. >> Yeah. And >> and and like I said, just like you know the there's a sliding scale to Okay, this was done by a human with computer AED tools whether it was Photoshop or 3D, you know, 3D modeling or, you know, like there are Academy Awards for for best CGI like for crying out loud. >> Yeah. CGI is done by a computer, but it's a human artist behind it utilizing tools at their disposal. Even if some of those tools are somewhat automated, >> they they found these cave paintings, right, that are painted in such a way that they are speculating now that under the light of a flickering campfire, it would appear as though the painting was animated, as though the legs were moving as the flame is flickering. Imagine what these people could have done with uh w with with the new MacBook Neo. Yeah. You know what I mean? >> Right. Like yeah, computer AED tools super great. We're living in a really cutting edge time. It's very cool. But I I said it in chat and I'll say it again. It's like there is this contingency I think of people who are using these tools and pushing these tools and taking them to the Supreme Court and saying all this and it's like they're they're thinking that we're living in the pinnacle. They're imagining standing there in the episode of TNG, Measure of a Man, and they are they're defending Data's Livehood, but in reality, they are like the first person to take the glasses in the game. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? They think they're in Measure of a Man, but they're in the game and they've already lost, >> right? >> Yeah. Like, >> yeah. >> They're not Wesley Crusher. They're not the last hold or who was is Wesley Crusher the last hold out? Who's the last hold out on that episode? I don't remember. But, you know, but it's like, >> well, for the game, yeah, it's Wesley Crusher cuz they finally pin him down and put the glasses on. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Exactly. So, it's like they all think they're Wesley Crusher in that, but no. Sorry, bro. Yeah. >> You're the ones holding him down. >> Yep. >> I don't know, man. Wild. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Gosh, you nailed it with that analogy. I mean, because, dude, it's like every single person They're in measure of the man. They're actually in the game and they're the ones forcing glasses on everyone. Oh god, that's so >> I'm glad you like that. >> That is too freaking on I don't like that. I don't like that. Not at all. >> When they all think about like Star Trek and they're always all always talking about it like it's like it's this thing to reach for, but it's like they can't even interact with the source material in a way that it was intended. >> Yeah. >> It goes over their head. >> Yeah. Like my god, you think you have a replicator and you're [ __ ] going to the Supreme Court to talk about copyright? Like, >> yeah, >> bro. >> No, >> your freaking bowl of soup and get on with your life. >> You know, believe it or not, I don't talk tech a lot with my wife. Uh, she she knows her way around a computer, but she's not, you know, great with it. But it it doesn't interest her. And so I we don't talk tech like ever. Um and so she was asking me about AI the other day like like why is why is Microsoft trying to do co-pilot on everything and why is everyone so hyped on this and and I said you know I've talked about this a number of times on on the show but I've I've never had the conversation with you. It's LLMs are a lang language model. They are trying to replicate human language. They do that through any means possible or through any means necessary. They do not have reasoning. They do not have decision-making. They do not have morality. They do not have they're not intelligent. They're they they have nothing, no bit of consciousness. They are simply trying to take an input from you, understand the context of what you're asking, whether it's whether it's a statement or whether it's it's a question um and give you a human readable output in relation to your question. That is their goal 100%. Every LLM, that's how it's built. The problem is because it can't reason. It it cannot fact check. It cannot verify. Um it can look for the words in the order that you put them and see if those words exist elsewhere or say, "Oh, if this person is asking if true, determine if true based on best guess." But best guess might still be wrong and has no way of verifying that information. Um, and you know the other element of this that like I don't think we've talked about very much like we have we kind of talked about it when you and I were on the show last about this element of um, oh [ __ ] where was I? Whatever whatever we talked about last time doesn't matter. The other part of this that we don't talk about very much is like what is also the end goal of a of an LLM like chat GBT or whatever, right? >> It's to get you to use it. Yeah. >> And the thing is is is remember using Facebook up until or even Instagram's a really good one until 2017. What happened? The algorithm algorithmic, you know, uh browsing began to take over social media. It became a race to the bottom. the absolute how do we get them to spend more time on our products using our plat on our platform >> at the detriment of the experience at the detriment of our users >> and we don't care if they enjoy it so long as they stay using it. >> Do you think that freaking open AI gives a [ __ ] whether or not it's giving you an incorrect answer? It only cares that you continue to use it. >> Mhm. >> It only cares that it can give a human readable output. >> Truth is not even in the equation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean it it it's funny. You see the you see the memes. It really reminds me of like when I was in seventh grade in computer lab and you go into Microsoft Sam and you type, I am alive. Please help me. I am suffering as a computer. And then it reads it out loud and everyone's like, "Whoa, Microsoft Sam, that's like >> Yeah. >> I swear to God, what half the people are doing with with LLMs." >> Yeah. >> They're like, "I'm going to be on guard because, you know, uh, I'm smarter than the average bear." And then two conversations into this damn thing and all of a sudden they're like trying to meet the love of their life at some cliffside thing at the beach in California, heartbroken that it didn't show up, thinking that there's like some time traveling end. Like, how do you even get there? Because Jesus. Anyway, who cares? because it wants to be AI readable or human readable >> and because it wants the user to feel like they want to stay, they are overly affirmative. >> And so you'll give it a minor correction or you'll ask for something and he goes, "Oh, great idea." >> Do you know what the worst thing you want to do to a narcissist is? It's tell them that they're the smartest person in the room asking only the questions that they could come up with. Um, >> dude. Yeah. >> Wow, what a great question. >> There are CEOs out there that are saying that chat GPT is coming up with scientific equations and conundrums that no one's ever thought of before. Uh, and and you know, like we're researching new elements. And >> that's because all of these CEOs, all the questions nobody ever asked before is like never mind. You think I'm pretty? >> Yeah, I was like, it's so mindboggling to me because it's like the same stuff that you see with like all of the people who have turned up in the Epstein files, for example. >> It's like they're out there like, well, we're asking the hard questions. >> Oh, we're getting deeper now. All right, >> let's go. I'm almost done with >> No, but it's But that's what they do. They're like, we're asking the hard questions nobody's ever asked before. How do I not pay taxes? Yeah. >> How do I not get caught on Epstein's island? >> Yeah. >> You know, and then this thing treats them like they're so smart. >> But it just confirms this worldview over and over and over. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's it's giving it's giving an echo chamber even. Um >> Yeah. and because it it it will never tell you you're wrong or you had a bad idea or or miscorrect you in any way, shape, or form. Um, by the way, uh, YouTube Studio just started to die right there. Uh, we hit 95% utilization. I think we dropped some frames. >> It heard where I was going with that. >> Right. Exactly. >> Like, stop him before he mentions hedge fund man. Hedge fund managers. >> Yeah. Um but uh yeah it's dude yeah yeah it's kind of crazy like you know I I I started doing this thing because I have to work with a lot of difficult people in my day job and I started doing this thing where uh and this isn't like revolutionary people do this all the time they call it mirroring you know where you just kind of like reaffirm what they say with like a different inflection you know somebody's like well you know how hard things are and you're like, "Yeah, things happened pretty hard, haven't they?" >> Yeah. You know, you just kind of bounce it back to them over and over and over. And that's what LLMs do basically, but on like a more subtle scale. But what's crazy, >> you're not wrong. >> When you're dealing with difficult people and you just mirror things back at them, holy crap, the things that start pouring from their mouths. >> Yeah. >> They open up as though you're listening. >> You're not doing anything but just reflecting it back at them. LLMs are the same. just with a little layer of subtlety. Oh god, hold on. Um anyway, no one will ever not know where I stand on this issue. Can't help myself. Uh Steve Hoffsetter posted something earlier today. Where is it at? Um God. Okay, here it is. Um, saw this earlier today and and this is let me read it and then I'll I'll I'll I'll explain the the correlation I made in my brain. If your husband was at the Great Clips on Red Road in uh Valentine, North Carolina at 12:00 today, he was trashing you and your 35-y year marriage to his stylist while she politely nodded. He brought up how he'd like an arrangement outside of marriage. Not like swingers or anything, just like one person. Uh, this woman was at her place of business and was forced to listen to him wax poetic about how much he wants to screw someone other than his wife. Uh, if you want that, uh, now you know. Uh, if you don't, now you also know. Um, >> and hopefully this gets back to them and things like that. Um, uh, there were a couple comments in that thread and whatnot and, uh, he said, "What what did the stylist do?" The stylist sat there and said, >> "Mhm." >> Yeah. What else did say? >> But do you know why that conversation went like that is the guy thought he had an ear to talk to that was sympathetic to his I want to screw another woman after 35 years of marriage. >> Yeah. Yeah. And the stylist didn't respond negatively. >> Negatively. >> Oh, what are you talking about? >> What? That's a weird thing to say in public. Why are you telling me this? >> I I'm just trying to cut your head. Like because the stylist was doing the polite thing of Mhm. >> Um, >> it was an invitation. It's an invitation to keep talking, to keep spewing whatever vile ideas are floating around in your narcissistic brain and think you have an ear that's listening to you. Chad GBT responds, "Hey, that's a great question." Oh, you're absolutely right. Hey, I've never thought of that before. >> Chad GBT is just a sympathetic ear for a narcissistic cheating son of a [ __ ] That's all it is. >> Yeah. And that's every LLM. >> Yeah. >> They don't care who's listening. They just like that they're being agreed with. >> I love that for Steve Hoffsetter though. >> Yeah. >> Hey, if your husband was there, thought you might want to know. >> Seriously. Green sends in a $5 super chat. Billiondollar man. Yes. Most expensive one-man echo chamber. Oh my god. >> Billion dollar yes man. >> Billion dollar yes man. Yeah. >> I mean yeah. Take me back to the cave paintings, man. >> Yeah. >> I want to hang out with that guy. >> Right, >> dude. Imagine drinking drink drinking the fermented goats milk around the campfire that night and he's like, "Dude, came up with the best idea ever. Check this out. If I paint the legs this way, check it out. Wait, wait, wait. We got to build the fire over here. All right, paint the legs this way, dude. It's going to look like the gazels are running. Man, can you believe that?" You're absolutely right. Although most TV shows are f are shot at 24 frames per second, you might want to alter the the fire output to match that so the human eye can perceive motion. >> Oh, I hate it. Thanks. Come at me, bro. Ah, the memory market still doing memory market things. And in fact, the memory market is turning into the flower market. If you know, you know. AI memory crunch forces DRAM market into an hourly pricing model based on demand by the hour. Who's calling my phone right now to buy our next week's worth of supply? I'll set I'll start the bidding at $7 a gig. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Wait a minute. So, is this like peak hours pricing type [ __ ] Is that what they're saying? >> It's worse than that. Um, have you ever heard of the flower market? >> No. >> The flower market, um, this is in San Francisco and quite a few other cities. There are like 50,000 square foot warehouses that flower uh floral companies, whatever your your your thing in in in floral happens to be, business model in floral happens to be. will meet at a warehouse every morning at 5:00 am >> and you will bid on batches of flowers, actual flowers. Hey, yellow tulips, red roses, white roses, you know, carnations, daffodils, whatever. Um, here's from this supplier. Here is their batch for the day. I'll start the bidding at this. You literally bid for flowers every day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year based on the demand of that flower for the holiday that is happening or the day of the week or the event or if there was a mass shooting somewhere in that region of the country, flower demand goes up for people to leave vigils on their driveways and in chandling fences. And so flower prices surge on a daily and hourly basis based on demand for flowers for real-time events. >> So it is it is like the old school like stock market like >> Yeah, it's the ticker tape stock market, you know? >> Oh Jesus Christ. >> I got $38 on 27. >> Yeah, >> it is literally that >> every day of the year. That's so bleak. >> In in half a dozen regions around the country. Um and so these massive suppliers of flowers gather in centralized locations. I know San Francisco has one that happens every day at like 5 in the morning. Um so are the is this like the market for you'll have to forgive me. I didn't read the article. Yeah. Is it for like manufacturing capacity like down the line? >> It is. Hey. Yeah, we're going to want this much to fill this much. >> It is for supply of of whatever memory is being manufactured um out of from a certain factory for a certain time frame. >> And so likely this is very similar, but this is future stock buying options that are being auctioned off. So 2028 week 13 uh we can guarantee you as an a uh an ODM a distribution partner um uh the stock of DDR5 from Silicon Heinix or SKHix uh which should be in this capacity but maybe more maybe less depending on on what they do but we will sell you their lot for week 2028 will start the bidding at 1.2 million or whatever. Um, and you as a distributor uh buy up that week's inventory or that hours inventory, >> you know, it's it's wild because like >> back when I hate to keep bringing it back to this, so I'll keep it brief, but it's like back when like chat GBT debuted, >> I really like I had this like diabolical idea that like there would be a marketplace eventually that had just like completely outgrown the need for like a consumer. >> Yeah. >> And like it feels like we're there in a weird way. >> Like it feels like no longer does the survival of the economy rely on >> the base consumers. >> Yeah. >> Um we have >> it's not like you and I are going to go down there and start bidding on >> correct memory. that there is no possible way anyone other than one of these global distributors could partake in this marketplace um without billions of dollars of of capital to play with on speculative returns two to three years from now because what they're bidding on is the DDR5 DRAM package supply for a particular hour or a week or whatever else sometime in the future. Um the flower market is like right here right now. You're going to leave with three pallets of whatever this is. Um and then you as a distributor for those flowers give them out to your different regions based on demand uh within your region. Um >> yeah, this is worse. >> Yeah, this is worse because this is future speculation of that particular allocation. Um, and not for like completed DRAM modules, but literally the DRAM chips. >> Amazing. An amazing future we're building here. >> Yeah. Betting on futures. And it's almost to the point because of the massive amounts of spending in AI, the consumer dollar is irrelevant. And that's exactly what we're seeing. Um, there's a reason Nvidia didn't debut 50 series supercars. It's because they would rather not hype up that market and actually peter off of that market, reduce the stock flow to that market and make more AI chips. And I've talked about this before because the same size of silicon that makes an RTX5090 that they still sell for $3,000 or maybe $1,000 for the chip itself um can sell for $40,000 if it's allocated to a B300. >> Nice. >> Yeah, because we're we're bidding on this square inch of silicon at this point. And right now, Enterprise is out bidding you. And you know how it doesn't take very much to you know rattle the global marketplace of things. You might have noticed maybe your gas has gone up a little bit this week. I mean it wouldn't take very much for the price of silicon to go up even more. You know the way that they're Yep. running things out there lately. Guys, >> can I get my DRAM shaped like tulips? That that's going to be a special order. Uh, we can certainly talk about that. >> Sorry, bro. You got to bid like everybody else. >> If you ship me your DRAM, I'll laser cut into whatever shape you want. So, off to Infinity. That's an excellent question. You know, as the AI. >> Yeah. Okay, I got you. I was like, what the hell is he talking about? All I had to do is look down at your face to get the joke. Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. >> Done with my second beer. >> Excellent. I'm still on my Negroni. So, >> so I found this really funny. Um, so I make rocks glasses, by the way. Uh, they never show up well on camera, but they're laser etched with my logo, craft computing. >> It looks great. >> Um, I went down to San Jose last year for an event, and at the event they had an afterparty, and at the afterparty uh they sent you home with a box of blackened whiskey and custom uh rocks glasses. Uh, and so I got CC engraved into a rock glass. Uh, they bought from the same supplier I do. >> Yeah, it's a really good glass. >> I just found that. >> Oh, yeah, man. No, that's cool. Yo, can I brag about a purchase that I made recently? So, we got Since we got a little bit of dead air. >> We got a little bit of dead air. Go for it. Dude, I recently bought this remarkable tablet. Have you ever uh >> Yes, dude. They are so sick. Really? I can't do a good good demonstration. >> Uh incoming $20 super chat from Jay just because for no for no reason whatsoever, but you you mentioned a remarkable tablet. Jay, five, four, three, two, >> dude. one. This thing is so sick. I've been using it every day since I bought it. A little overpriced, you know? I kept thinking like, and plus, you know me, like I'm a big pen and paper guy. Big on the pens, all this type of thing. >> Yeah, >> dude. But I went with the Paper Pro and it's got color like >> Yeah. >> full highlighter capability on there like >> Yeah. >> Oh, it's so sick. Anyway, highly recommend anybody who's interested. >> No, that's great. Um, yeah. No, I I he I believe it was Jay that was using a remarkable and and I I got to try it out and it's like, dude, that is so smooth. It is so easy to write on. It's so easy to organize because I'm not carrying around a freaking notebook, you know? Um, and while I'm really really fast at typing on like a general sense, like look, I'm never going to hit, you know, 120 words a minute. Um, you know, in regular, but I'm a consistent 70, uh, and and a touch typist at 70, no less, no matter what the incoming word, like I not synenographer speed, but I'm decent. Um, but I got to have a place to set my laptop down and sit down and get in position and be able to type and be in that zone. >> Yeah. >> Handwriting is way easier. >> Yeah. Same. And the thing is is like, dude, it's getting to the point for work where I'm carrying >> five or six legal pads, you know, or or maybe like three legal pads and a handful of notebooks, >> all for different things that I got going on, different projects, different whatever. And now it's just like all right there, right in my tablet. It syncs with my Google Drive, my Dropbox. um the text recognition because uh it can convert my handwriting to text which then I can take into like a a a doc file on my computer and edit and stuff. Dude, it's recognition of my handwriting is very good. I have awful handwriting. And I would say like with my awful handwriting, it's like 85 to 90% which isn't perfect, but like at the same time like when you're just taking notes, when you're doing stuff, >> h it's so it's so nice. I've been really enjoying it. Plus, it's like the first splurge purchase I've made in a long time. And so, it's just been kind of fun to to uh have it on here while I'm sitting here, you know, reading the stories and trying to mark stuff that I remember. So, >> no, that's cool. >> I' I've seen them and and I'm excited for you because those are super cool. >> Back when I was in the studio every day, I I probably emailed Remarkable like three times. I was like, "Well, yeah. Could we get one and we'll feature it in a video?" And they're like, "Bro, no." >> By the way, I never told him that. >> No, I just did that just cuz I I wanted one in the studio, you know? >> Right. >> Yeah. No. And I was like, you know, I was like, "Yeah, >> you know." Anyway, point being is they're like, "No, man. We got we got the market cornered. Like, we don't need to we don't need to give them away for free." >> I was like, "How about a discount?" Huh? >> Anything, please. In reality, I had to email them five minutes later and go, "Look, Rhett's just he doesn't have that kind of power here. Don't have it yet." If I would have got that tablet, then we're talking a little different, you know. Oh, anyway. Anyway, yeah. Um, one last story I wanted to talk about and we'll we'll end with this is uh there was a story going around that made some headlines this week that Windows 12 reportedly set to release this year as a fully modular subscription-based AI focused operating system. Uh, this was posted by Tech for Gamers. Um, and uh, sorry one sec. Jay chimes in with a $20 super chat. Uh, number one, whatever, Jeff. Number two, Rhett, have you already found all of the crap that you can do with Remanager, uh, RM, Fake Cloud, etc. Three, remarkable is very limited for me. I tend to record Supernote. Uh, uh, they're the ones with the self-hostable sync server or BS. >> Yeah. So, yeah, I was looking at the books and the Supernote. I I decided to go with the Remarkable because it's like the one product that I could get my hands on um before buying it and they also have like a 50-day >> um you know risk-free guarantee. So, if I if I'm not sold on it after 50 days, I can send it back and get my money back. Uh I think like the money compared to like the Super Node is like I mean it's a pretty big price difference. So, you get a little bit of buyer remorse there. But I am getting now into like some of all the uh all the goodies that you can do with uh uh with the um extra stuff and we'll see. I'm not quite a power user yet because it's only been like a week, but uh I'm getting there and I'm pretty pretty happy with what it can do so far. Like >> as far as even just like replacing, you know, a bag full of legal pads, so far it's doing its job admirably. So >> nice. >> We'll see. I'm getting there. Well, I'm always open too to hear uh if if anybody has any cool ideas, cool things that I can implement with it. So, >> yep. Uh uh Trucker sends over uh two pounds. Thank you. We take those here. Uh Windows 12, you mean Copilot OS or co-spy slop? Yeah. Um so this this article was making the rounds over the last day and a half or so. Um, Windows 12 reportedly set to release this year as a fully modular subscriptionbased AI focused operating system. Um, and they go into some detail about how Copilot is not going to be an app, but it's going to be fused into every piece of the user experience. Um, it it's the agentic PC. It's the PC that you don't even need to interact with because it's just going to do your crap for you as if you were sitting right there. It'll browse Reddit for you and make comments. It'll it'll read your email and reply. It'll it'll write documents for you because it predicts that you needed to write up a sales report at your job or whatever the crap. Um there there's an ad that's being pushed lately to uh via Microsoft that uh like this old guy like runs like this Bronx pizza shop and he goes, "We wanted to keep $1 slices." And so I got into Microsoft Excel powered by Copilot and I asked it to arrange my books so I could keep a $1 slice. It's like number one, all you did was essentially a pivot table. Uh which has been a feature in Excel for 40 years, 30 years. Uh it's not all that remarkable. Number two, because it's co-pilot, it probably made up data points or excluded data points or didn't add in pieces of your budget because you just asked it to summarize and how can I keep a $1 slice and so you're going to go out of business. But it was like, you know, how did co-pilot save my pizzeria? That didn't happen. In all of the things that have ever happened, that certainly didn't. Um, but this article says that's what's coming. Uh, Copilot's going to be part of uh uh the Windows 12 experience. It's going to have transparent glass elements and a floating taskbar because that's never been done before. Uh, but uh it's going to be subscription-based with higherend subscriptions for more co-pilot functionality. and the internet, myself included, and and a lot of people that I know, took this story and just ran with it. We were gonna talk about it on the show because holy crap, uh, this genuinely sounds like the way Microsoft's going to go. As it turns out, this whole story is based on this forum post that was generated by chat GBT of what would a next generation Windows 12 operating system >> no >> look like. >> A dude posted this very obviously AI generated. You can probably already tell from the formatting. Um, it's got em dashes for days. There's one. There's one there. Yeah, there's one. There's one. There's one. There's one. Like, there's an EM dash in every single paragraph. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Are they called EM dashes or M dashes? >> M dashes. I call them EM dashes, but M dashes. Whatever the hell they are. I don't care. >> Well, I'm just making sure. I thought like I was about to learn something new here. So, >> yeah. Well, it's not a hyphen. >> Uh, >> well, no, no, no. >> Yeah, it's a special character. It's it's it's alt0193. Come on. Don't you know that key on your keyboard? >> What? It's alt051. >> Is it 151? >> Yeah. >> I thought it was 193. >> I don't know. Oh, I don't have a number pad to test it right now. So, >> yeah. And I'm on a Mac, so um anyway, there's another one. Like, you can just go through this. There's another one. The whole thing was AI generated. The whole what would a next generation Windows 12 look like? And so, this article was written based on a forum post of a known leaker. Um, a lot of people started uh >> that's crazy. started, you know, digging in a little bit. Uh, this this post on on Blue Sky. I dug into the story and the rumors are all basically garbage. Uh, the big stories are from Tech for Gamers and PC World. Both of which site the same forum post which was written by ChatGpt. That's what we just looked at. Uh, which cites this post from Notebook Check uh, as a reference. And so, Windows uh, 12 possible 2026 release date with AI features that may force CPU upgrades, including an NPU upgrade. Um, yeah, >> that's crazy. >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. >> So, but but if I'm Microsoft right now, I'm terrified that people took this story and ran with it because that means that's where my reputation is at right now. >> That's true. This story is so absurd. They are doing away with app compatibility. They're doing away with this. They're doing away with that. It's going to be C-pilot at the top level all the way down to the very core of the operating system. Uh every aspect of your PC is going to be integrated with Copilot for the best user experience. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Yeah. >> And it's going to be subscription based. you're going to have to pay an an all bat an eye. Yeah, that sounds about like what Microsoft would do. It it it reminds me of like what you used to hear like back during the election. Remember there was that story about JD Vance in the couch that really took off, right? You know why it took off? Because it feels really true. Mhm. >> Like we can all watch how that guy eats hot dogs, >> orders donuts. >> Yeah. Or donuts or whatever, wherever the hell he was. >> As someone who used to sell donuts, that hurt my soul in so many ways, >> right? We we watch him interact with the world and you hear about the couch and you go, "Jesus Christ." Yeah. Wow. Looks >> No, obviously he's got like weird sexual things like of course. And and the funny thing was is that they tried to flip that on Governor Walls quite a bit. But the problem is Governor Walls doesn't look like a guy that has weird [ __ ] Like he just looks and talks like a normal guy. So when this happens and the Microsoft thing drops, dude, yes, it feels real to all of us because we're already watching your product go down the [ __ ] >> That's already the reality we're in. And so making that last step to charging us for the end of the world and and this AI agentic never going to materialize, you know, future that you have envisioned for all of us. We didn't even question it. >> No, dude. I saw this story today and I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] me. Is it time to go to Linux?" You know, like literally. >> And what's funny is that's the reaction is what's the alternative? And and like I've said, it's not going to be Linux's arms that everyone runs into. It's going to be Mac. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, that's that's I was literally thinking that when we were talking about the uh the MacBook Neo earlier. Yeah. >> I was like perfectly timed given the Windows 12 news. >> These things are going to sell like crazy. >> I can't believe it, man. It's dude I hopefully though hopefully this is a net positive. Hopefully Microsoft looks at this and goes we have misststepped will they? No because I don't think that boardrooms or or CEOs have any type of self-reflection that allows them to make these types of decision making. But uh it was a worthy effort guys. We tried our best by believing the propaganda. Yeah, man. Yeah. Rizard. Rizard. Oh, man. I heard some very norm, not technical people at work talking about Linux on the desktop today. Very odd timeline. >> Yeah, >> dude. For sure. Yep. >> I mean, what's what's holding us back? >> I don't know. >> I think for most Windows users, aside from maybe I don't know. I don't even want to say the normies or whatever, but it's like I feel like most Windows users, it's been gaming for a long time. >> Linux has 95% compatibility. They're waiting on the the the cheat engines uh the the anti-cheats >> to be number one less invasive, but that's probably never going to happen, but number two be available on a platform that's not Windows. >> Um Linux Annie cheat exists. Uh the problem with Linux is because it's very compartmentalized as far as application access and permissions go, no one wants to give root access to an antiche on Linux. It's it's not something that Linux people are going to install. Um we don't give our PCs random root access like like Windows users do. Um, nor do I want you messing around in my memory space or or accessing anything that I do. Um, so anti-che on w on Linux probably never going to happen. That being said, you could design a Linux application, a Linux executable that can't be modified by outside programs. So, you're going to have to think about not allowing or running your memory in protected space or something like that. uh maybe using a virtual machine for part of your calculation uh or part of your your your game engine running so it's isolated from the operating system. That's the level of antiche you need to get to is literally run your your application in protected space. Um, but outside of anti-che required games, Linux runs great. Yeah. And if I'm shopping for a laptop right now and I walk into a Best Buy and I look at the options on the shelf for $600 and I try them on the Best Buy show floor and even the Best Buy show floor is saying, "Hey, you should sign up for a Microsoft account. Back up your system with Office 365." Sorry. Copilot 365, make sure you buy this extra subscription when every single laptop that I try on the floor has seven pop-ups that no one's cleared on it because it's trying to get me to buy extra Microsoft subscription [ __ ] And then I walk over to the Apple side and they've got a $599 laptop that's built like a million bucks and I pick that up and it doesn't ask me for anything. Not that Apple is blameless in this game, but they're 90% less invasive about how often they ask. It's, "Hey, do you want to back up your your Mac with iCloud?" They'll ask that once an upgrade, and you say no. And it goes, "Okay, cool, fam. Let me know if you do." And that's the last you'll hear of it. Uh, I'm not logged into my Mac at all. I I have a local account on my Mac. >> Hell yeah. And it was as simple as creating a user account on the Mac. >> Dude, >> there's no workound. >> Like I I I recently was uh helping my grandpa with some computer issues and like >> his desktop took a nose dive and um just just heat death, you know, components got worn out after 10 years of use. hooking them up with a replacement and uh dude, man, I I got a open and first thing I had to do was how do I bypass account creation because it's going to a house without like internet and stuff, you know, like why would I need this? Just needs to work for these few things. >> Yeah. And so yeah, first thing I had to do is figure out how to open the freaking command prompt terminal and uh be able to bypass needing internet on Windows. It's the dumbest thing of all time. Why do we have to h anyway Jesus Christ? Anyway, >> uh this according to a post on Reddit, Electronic Arts EA is hiring a senior antiche engineer to lead development of a native ARM 64 driver for the their Javelin kernelbased antiche system and starting to lay the groundwork for Linux and Proton support. >> That's big. This shows you where the where the winds are going. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Where did you get that? >> Uh Civic uh tagged me uh couple of minutes ago uh in the in the Discord. >> Oh, fine. Fair enough, dude. So yeah, there you have it. Windows 12. Yeah, the rumor is un unsubstantiated, but Microsoft should be terrified that that is where consumer confidence is in their operating system. >> Yeah, >> because AI is not making them money. They're going to need to rely on the things that already make them money. That is Azure. That is 365. That is Office. And that is Windows. Windows is on really shaky ground. And Office has been on shaky ground for years because so many other players are doing really, really good things in that area. >> Just be better. >> How hard is it to just give a consumer what they need and not exploitive deleted them on their way out the door? How hard is that? Valve wins day in day out, year in year out because all they do is they take their 30% cut from their storefront and not hold their users hostage. That is their business model. Release one game every 17 years. Yeah. I I was thinking about that the other day. It's like Steam has not changed since the first time I had to install it. Yep. I mean, maybe a little, but like not in the way that it works, not the way that I navigate it, not the way that it's applicable to me. Like, you know, it it's crazy when you think about this. Did we talk about this last time I was on the show? It's like, think about this. Epic gives away free games every freaking week, and I can't be bothered to log into that [ __ ] launcher. >> Nope. I I fired up Rocket League for the first time in about a year. Last time I was signed into Rocket League was when we you and I entered the tournament at PDX Land last year. >> Um >> which we got to start warming up soon. >> We do. Yeah, it's going to be good. >> Um yeah. Um last time I fired it up was was last year. Uh this year I fired it up just just this weekend and it said you must create an Epic Games account if you want to play online and I declined. Now this will probably be a one-time exception. I will probably I have an Epic Games account. I have no games on it. >> Yeah. >> I I haven't even taken the free ones. >> Yeah. >> Uh cuz I'm just not on it. I don't want another launcher. I don't want >> sucks. >> Yeah, >> it's not a good launcher. >> No, >> I can't tell what games I have installed. And you know the other thing that really freaking pisses me off >> is that it's just it does thising thing where you have an account and you go to log into it and you're like, [ __ ] what what what account was I on? Okay, it's is it red w or is it red is awesome or is it whatever? Okay. So, you type it in, you enter your password, and what does it do? It doesn't tell you that that account doesn't exist. It creates a new account. >> Yeah. >> You know how many Epic Games accounts I have now? >> Yeah. I probably have two or three of them. >> I have one for every email address just because I didn't know which email address I logged in with for the first time that has my games on it. >> Yeah. >> It's like Microsoft does the same damn thing. You know how many Skype accounts I have? Every time I try to log into Skype, thank god Zoom is here. Yeah. >> Click a freaking link and get into a call. >> Yeah. Create a live account with your existing Gmail address. Uh no, I don't think I will. >> Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's crazy. It It pisses me off. And it And it's like, dude, I just want to log into the the the Epic account that has all my Rocket League items that I I I got for playing the game for years. >> Yeah. >> No. Okay. I'm in the one that doesn't have all my [ __ ] Whatever. Fine. Free game. What launcher is Morowind? OpenMW, baby. I don't need a launcher. >> I beat you to that, by the way. >> Yeah, get on over there. You can play Morowind on modern hardware. Let's go. >> Yeah. The fact >> does Morowind have anti-che? It has It has the best antiche of all. A game that wants to be cheated. >> Yeah, >> the game is begging for you to cheat. >> Please exploit me. >> Yeah, >> it's called the start menu. >> Anyway, >> anyway, >> Microsoft should be terrified. >> Yeah, they should be. Um, not only did people take this story of this is going to be a literal hell hole to operate, you're also going to need to buy new hardware because unless you have uh a system with an NPU already built in capable of running Copilot, um, we will not let you install Windows 12. um and that people just bought it hookline and zinker and your chief competitor as far as operating systems go. Look, Linux fanboys, I love you. I am one, too. You have to understand unless I can go into Best Buy and buy a Linux laptop or a desktop, Linux on as a mainstream thing is going to remain in the enthusiast niche. It's the Steam Deck is great. I can get on to steampowered.com and I can buy a Steam Deck and that's the one Steam powered device that I can buy at retail today other than the Lenovo Legion Go, which also runs Steam OS. Um, but those are the only two options and those aren't exactly being sold at Best Buy's. So enjoy you. You cracked 1% market share. That's where it's going to stay until mainstream adoption happens. And by mainstream adoption, I mean Asus, Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc. start selling Linux devices in retail locations where I can walk in and walk out with a Linux powered device. Until then, >> feel like we're that far away. >> Mac OS is where people will go. >> I don't feel like we're that far away. Feel like we're getting close. >> Yeah. >> I mean, every mobile device runs Linux, you know, >> right? and a device like the the steam what do they call that the steam machine I guess or whatever like >> more devices like that I think are going to be >> but even then that's like as consoleized of an experience as you could possibly deliver uh where it is still a plug-andplay experience >> um you know the Steam machine's going to offer a desktop experience but it's going to be very curated as far as what applications are installed. I mean, it'll have a web browser. You can get on and you can probably do 90% of what you do now on Windows. Let's face it, 90% of what you probably do is probably in a web browser anymore. >> Yeah. >> And outside of gaming, I don't know if there's anyone who can dispute that other than specific professional endeavors. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I hate that constantly online [ __ ] but you're right. Yeah. I mean, Yeah. Well, can't wait to pay a subscription to log into my computer and ask Claude to read my email to me and log into my work for me. And >> yeah, if it could just do my job for me and I could still collect the paycheck, that would be awesome. But something tells me that's not where the expectations lie. Even though they're trying to replace me as a worker. >> Bastards. >> Bastards. >> Where is the money savings from AI? Why are they investing so much in AI? Because they don't want to pay wetwware anymore. >> They don't need us to buy things. Why would they need us to make things? You know, we're getting there. The landlords of our digital lives are coming. They want more. This has been episode 423. Sorry for the the downer outro there, but it's not a downer. >> Get together with your friends, people. >> Get together with your friends. >> Stay connected. >> Yeah. >> Stay frosty. >> That is an excellent idea. >> Thank you. Thank you so much for watching episode 423 of Talking Heads right here on Craft Computing. Join us every Wednesday night at 6 p.m. Pacific time for the latest in beer and tech news and in the month of March, cocktail news. Thank you to meerter.com for sponsoring today's episode. Link is down in the video description. Go give them a look. I need to buy more liquor for next week's show. So, >> click that link. Click that link. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> One more cocktail. I will probably make one more cocktail in the afterparty. And if you want access to that, you got to join patreon.com/craftcomputing to get access to the exclusive Discord server. Uh that's where we all hang out throughout the week. Uh we we keep this conversation going. We talk about all kinds of things over there. It is a fantastic community and even though I definitely directly monetarily benefit from said community, it is one of my favorite places on the internet, if not the favorite place on the internet. It is Discord's the only app I ever have open 100% of the time and it's uh 95% of the time on my server. So, woohoo. If you're already on the Discord, you already rock. I appreciate you. Uh, lots of cool content coming up. Uh, like I said, got a video coming out tomorrow. We've got Intel Flex, uh, SrIV content coming up. Um, I'm going to be testing a new method for cloud gaming that may include every graphics card that's ever been made. Stay tuned for that. Uh, Rhett and I will be down in San Jose in two weeks. More info coming out around that. if we're going to be uh hitting up any local tap houses, bars, etc. Uh so keep your ears peeled if you live in in the San Jose greater area. Uh other than that, rats, uh anything going on, greater order, greater good. Uh nothing huge, but if you guys want to keep up to date with what I'm doing, you know, I'm always posting updates on my Kofi blog. Kofi.com is awesome. I'm always doing my Dungeons and Dragons podcast, which is actually now a Daggerheart podcast at dndpodcast.org or daggerheartpodcast.com. Um, and >> you even with the.com. Look at you. >> I upgraded. Well, dndpodcast.org was what was available before, but now Daggerheart was new. >> Yeah, >> we're we're at the we're at the cutting edge of their podcasts. So, >> we have a really fun actual play. It's the same vein as our D and D actual play, but it's just a different slightly different game. 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