Eddie Liger Smith on Communism, America First, and Palestine - Fight Back Ep. 25

hey guys the fightback podcast today I have a special guest um Eddie liger Smith um so my audience probably isn't to like this very much because he's a communist I mean I'm definitely not a communist but we're not really having a debate we're having a discussion I'm sure I'm going to give some push back on some issues because you know like I said there's a lot I don't like about communism but I think overall me and Eddie actually you know we get along we agree on a lot so I think it should be you know why not sit down and talk to people and see his perspective to see where you know where he's coming from so it's um yeah I don't know to start with Communism well you're part of the American Communist Party correct yep so when did you guys uh you guys just launched that yeah we just founded that a lot of other groups the Communist Party USA and another group called The Party of Communists USA who we had various disagreements with got a bunch of their members to split and join our party so yeah basically just trying to compile all the most competent Communists in America get them together yeah it's you Jackson hle who I actually like too um ha so you guys are kind of it's interesting because communism considered far left you guys are kind of right leaning so it's a little confusing yeah we we on the social issues where I wouldn't say like we're straight up conservative but like we're very focused on economics like we want to improve people's material conditions not change how they think about bathrooms or you know a lot of these other things yeah all the woke left [ __ ] yeah that's what we're against which much that's like cpusa and these other American Communist parties are very focused on those and for us that's liberalism which is what we're against yeah so it's not nothing you want involved with right cuz yeah you're the only right-wing communist I know so the thing is communism has so many like negative connotations like all the supposedly all the bad things that are done and all the murders what's your aspect on that like all the massacres are supposedly done do you think those are exaggerated or do you think um yeah I mean revolutions are messy you know like everybody there were legitimately people who died in the October Revolution in Russia and the Chinese Revolution in 1949 like it it involves a real Uprising that that you know can lead to to people dying that being said the the media as I think we would agree is is propagandistic the education system is propagandistic and the people who own this Own It are all anti-communist zionists pro-imperialist so they do like the black book of Communism is a great example that's where the Hundred Million number comes from and even one of the books on authors has admitted that they exaggerated the totals to try and hit a 100 million so there there real deaths and even in some cases real atrocities but it's been exaggerated at every stage by the corporate media yeah education system why don't you walk through real quick what you think the pros of Communism are yeah for me communism is just like the real movement of History so people say a lot of times that they want a mix of capitalism and communism for me that's just communism communism is we take the good parts of capitalism and we leave behind the bad parts so uh there there have been multiple economic systems before capitalism came into existence like the French Revolution was the overthrow of the Kings the Queens the monarchs and replacing it with this new class that was called the Bourgeois who were the factory owners and the merchants the people who built and traded Commodities who because of the Industrial Revolution and the advance of Technology got all this power and wealth which they then used to seize political power from the Monarch so you saw a similar thing happen in the US when there was slavery in the South the plant class in the South was eventually drawn into a class conflict with not only the slaves that they owned who joined the Union Army once the Civil War kicked off but the capitalists in the north so they were the ones who led the the effort so this is what KL Marx means when he says that all Society is the history of class struggles it's fights between different economic classes that allow the system to be transformed so under capitalism the two main classes are the working class and the capitalist class and I believe that the working class should organize itself and and have more political power than Wall Street shareholders and bankers yeah I mean see I don't disagree with that but the thing thing is the problem with Communism is like do you believe everyone should be able to make exactly the same or should you be able to make your own businesses and still uh do you like in a modified version or do you think everyone should make exactly the same regardless of how hard they work no and and um I would say that that's sort of the the propaganda Narrative of what communism is that is pushed by what we call McCarthyism you know the McCarthy era in the US really there if you look through the work of Marx there's never anything where he calls for full equality or for people to make the same what I what I really advocate for is a meritocracy yeah a system where if you work hard if if you're Innovative you should advance and in country in modern socialist countries like China and Nicaragua they're stimulating small business so they're giving these people resources when they have good ideas to start their small businesses and they're it stimulates a lot of innovation I think I'd like to see that in America it seems like everything's monopolized right now so you don't you say yes you don't believe everything the government controls everything and hands it out so you believe kind of a modified version of at least what was what I believe was done originally in Russia and China I know China's changed a lot now yeah but I think originally it was like the government controlled everything and people pretty much everyone's poor see and that's why communism looked at so negatively because these people were you know handed nothing could have could have potentially worked the way you're saying I don't know you know I don't think it's ever really been tried that much yeah the thing about Russia and China too is these were feudal agrarian countries that were run by monarchs so they were run by like they there was the Zars in Russia and they had to be overthrown and they didn't have any industry they didn't have any factories in China they didn't not have any steel so that's when they made these backyard furnaces like because they had to teach their people who had been peasants for thousands of years how to use steel and build factories and so the the F the first 10 years of the r Russian and Chinese revolutions were actually the fastest increase in life expectancy that's ever been seen in human history because the government seized everything but they weren't really seizing it from the the people they were seizing it from the monarchs and the landlords and then they managed the economy in order to to well in the USSR they were preparing for war with the Nazis but in China they just put everything towards Industrial Development um and then in the 70s in China is when they opened up to more private capital and said you know the government doesn't need to centrally control everything and and that's really when their poverty alleviation exploded um so that's what I mean like you could call that a mix between communism and capital ISM but for me that's just you know what you think originally that's how it was and you think it was kind of originally not done correctly I think they did what they had to do for the time but like what they did in 1917 USSR wouldn't be applicable in America because we already have industry yeah the country's already flourishing but a lot of it is going towards the top because I agree there's a lot along with the country it's just like the people are completely screwing us over I don't disagree with that but I still feel like if I go and work hard I should be able to be a millionaire because a lot of people just aren't willing to work work as hard as others you know that's just the truth the matter you know I've ran some like small businesses before and some of the low-wage workers are just really bad workers they don't want to be there as soon as you pay them they're not going to show up the next day cuz they're probably buying drugs and not that these are bad people necessarily but it's like they're not putting in the work versus someone you're paying a lot better so so a lot of times there is a reason for this stuff so like yeah what do you do with the situation the guys that don't want to work hard I just think they shouldn't get as much I think they should be paid less like a real marit CU I think a lot of the people who like in town in the town I'm from right now there's this guy running for office and he's just like a cokehead his parents own oil companies he's extremely wealthy you know and I think someone like that should have to work a real job you know I think a lot of the freeloaders are the people born into wealth and you know and and there's also like part and we just released our party program with the ACP and part of it would be cracking down on gangs and the drug trade so that there are less coercive things that that turn people into bad workers degenerates really yes you believe you can have some wealth just not be born into like massive wealth and yeah right and China has millionaires you know if you work hard and innovate you should be rewarded for that 100% yeah well I mean you come from wrestling which people don't know you look at his ears those are obviously wrestler ears so it's it's like what you however hard you work is what you get out of it so exactly the idea that's why I was surprised idea of a communist wrestler so yeah you're kind of a mix so basically like the giant corporations are totally screwing us right it gets complicated though because a lot of times the government doesn't run things well so how do you I guess you have to but China is being more more efficient now so I guess you have to totally redo our government because I mean you agree our government is complet completely incompetent inefficient you wouldn't want the current people running it trying to run things right this is one of the reasons I call myself a Marxist leninist because Lenin said that the capitalist state is so inefficient and so designed just to screw us over and exploit us that it needs to be completely revamped from the ground up so like the American government as it functions now is intended to be inefficient they want social like you know they want Medicare to be inefficient so then they can cut it and spend less money on social welfare so you would need to completely revamp everything it would need to be rebuilt you know and um that could look a variety of different ways but the medicine's a great one you mentioned because the medicine in the US is just absolutely terrible but the problem is to go oh we want free medicine medicine from all but the problem is they're overpaying so much so we can't be free with the prices they're they're gouging so but they still want full prices for the drugs it's just insane you know I've been to hospital I had to go to a hospital in Thailand for a staff infection and a hospital in the US for staff infection in the US it was like $3,000 worst treatment they didn't treat it properly didn't give me the right medicine Thailand it was $200 it was way cleaner I was like scared going to the Thailand hospital I walked in there it was amazing the doctor was so knowledgeable you know gave me drips it was just right away knew exactly what it was the US doctors didn't know what the staff was they were trying to give me extra tests I don't know if it it to make more money or because they didn't know what it was the doctor right away was just like oh you have a staff infection you know gave me the IV so seeing how much better the hospital was in Thailand and cheaper versus America that was like a wow be this way right and our healthare system so M up and that was one of the things well for one I had a long-term illness when I was a kid I got chronic lyme disease I had to deal with the health care system and it opened my eyes because they were really just sucking money out of my parents you know no is it terrible I agre I agree in healthcare it's terrible they're doing that you know sucking all the money but it's their kid they want you to be healthy and just draining their money from them that's and that's just wrong and that's where Healthcare has turned into and I guess not just Healthcare a lot of things you know the pharmaceutical companies they're just you know forced the covid vaccine on us yeah that's why I think we agree on a lot I just don't necessarily think that you or know if communism seems difficult but maybe some kind of hybrid so I do I do agree when you changes it's just figuring out how right and we just want you know we don't need everyone to call themselves a communist or join the ACP but we want to build trust with people so that they'll you know at some point maybe be like well I trust the Communists more than I trust my own government and yeah I watched some clips with you before you came over you said something really interesting I thought that um it's very important that you're respected in your community yes I think that's that's anything you have to have respect from those around you if you're spreading any ideas yeah that's why we' put so much effort into Community relief like we handed out thousands of dollars of warm clothes we raised $9,000 for Hurricane Helen relief and all that money has been mobilized by people in our party and it's like we run into all these people wearing our communism hats and they're like I don't like communism I don't agree with it but I appreciate that you're cleaning up the heroin needles in my Park no it's important you're doing good things so at least people may be like well I don't like communism if they're doing good things and'll make them listen right so it's you know and that's why I brought you on I could see like oh you're a genuine guy we agree on a lot you know like Z we'll talk about that later but you know the thing you see and just a lot of things with people being better you know the average American I think is living paycheck to 80 80% of the Americans are living paycheck to paycheck you know I'm not so it's maybe me can be but I but I grew up really poor so I understand you know and I grew up sometimes trying to figure out how I'm going to eat so I understand that it sucks you know now I'm comfortable and I do think we should I do believe though that we should be able to become comfortable and we shouldn't all make the same which is why I've an anti-communist but I said you're kind of a hybrid version of it I also don't know does someone need multiple billions of dollars you know right and things too like things that are resources in America sometimes they sell those out to other to to corporations if it's American Resource why shouldn't the Americans get it that's why I think America we I was talking about this with my buddy who's like a Libertarian like I think America First is a great slogan yeah who could just you know and and not everybody's going to know exactly what's going on in Ukraine and Palestine but they know they'd rather have their resources invested in them yeah we we don't we don't want our resources especially if fighting Foreign Wars I think most Americans I think agree on that of course sometimes they get suckered into it actually by their politicians yeah because like a lot of Democrats got suckered into the war Ukrainian war and a lot of Republicans got suckered into the Israeli because their politicians are just are just pumping for it yeah and it's interesting to watch with the Trump people because like as a communist I do I loved watching Trump in 2016 just rail against that was awesome he was so funny it was amazing and um so anti-establishment but yeah there's a failure of the magga campaign and that a lot it's a little bit culty and they'll just listen to whatever Trump says and if he supports Israel they support Israel too no it's disappointing because I love Trump in 2016 it wasn't Paul in politics but it was just so funny and it was pissing people off so I'm like you know what I'm register to vote just to just to piss people off and I was living in San Francisco in the time so I watch people just people crying all over the streets it was hilarious so that's how it's San Francisco's like crazy woke isn't it it's yeah it's completely falling apart like I said I can get along with different people so even though I've always been kind of conservative leaning I've always still get along with these people other than the crazy like woke big people but I'm just telling them just like shut up get out of here like during BLM it was like a little [ __ ] they were just over the top like with the black people I'm like you guys are just so annoying like my black friends would be like telling me all embarrassed and stuff they're getting text like white people calling to like apologize to for microaggressions and stuff they're like oh my God this is like so awkward they want to just be treated normal you know right yeah like normal people and that's the thing a lot of the Woks are like the most racist people like you got a Pander to black people and treat them different right like oh you can't get an ID you can't can't get an ID that's the most racist thing like they they really tell us that black people can't get IDs no is that's why people tell me that all the time in San Francisco and i' be like so if you invite when your black friends out do you ask them if they have an ID it's so embarrassing and meaning yeah it's ridiculous and that's really what we're we're trying to separate ourselves from because like and and the CIA has spent a lot of money pumping those kind of leftists you know and pushing them in order to really prevent any kind of real anti-establishment movement from growing yeah the CIA goes after a lot of movements anytime any movements real the CIA the FIA and feds will try to infiltrate it and destroy it and Y stuff they do in other countries they do it here too people like oh they're messing with elections overseas and doing this and that and it's like yeah they're doing it here too yeah and they're not supposed to do anything domestically but they do and then like we could there's mad too who a lot I feel like does a lot of the cia's dirty work here in the US yeah they work hand in hand we'll get that to the end cuz I think that'll get probably cut off the YouTube part oh yeah sorry S no no no no we can we can say we can say a little bit about it but we can go deep into that at the at the end so so I say things with Communism typically communism has no free speech what's your thoughts on that I well I think free speech is a uniquely American value that because this is the other thing about communism is like I said communism takes a unique National form in every country so American communism would look much different than Chinese communism where they don't have a ton I mean there's freedom of debate to a degree but they're not going to allow Like Us corporate media outlets in China they just see it as propaganda and they ban it which to an extent I understand why especially when they're defending from the US trying to overthrow their government but I think in the US like we should maintain Free Speech as a principal okay so you would be allowing you know like the social media you still could have voices and newspapers and all that yeah and I really like like I'm not a fan of Elon 100% but like what he's done with X I think is good if you have real free speech and you re if you're really not censoring certain people or boosting other kinds of people like I don't know what could be wrong with that he's been great for that you know he's not perfect you know he still does ban people but I was like on my last warning before he bought it so that's awesome yeah I was about to get kicked off it's nice be able to have a free uh voice I've been demonetized for criticizing isra but right at least I still can speak on there right yeah I had seven Tik Tok accounts banned now including one with 375,000 followers one with 200 ,000 you know that I would be making much more money now it's crazy because they say that's a Chinese company the reason they're making them cell because they're criticizing Israel but you still but they're still censoring that yeah maybe that's why I haven't heard talk about the cell maybe they made some kind of deal where keep this they'll keep this topic off yeah yeah I think they made a deal a back door deal with the Zionist groups who were pressuring T to ban or yeah it yeah that was eye opening where like you know soon as called for it the ADL a couple organizations AG go we need to get we need to get this anti-Semitism off Tik Tok Boom the congress met right away forced the sell Congress too they also [ __ ] they we had emergency meetings to fund Ukraine and Israel people wanted border support too they didn't add that instead they go oh we'll vote them all separately they didn't even vote the Border they just voted Israel and in Ukraine that's when I'm like government hates us so it's like I do agree we need a different government I still don't agree it's communism but I do I do agree with need changes which is why these you know talks could be good I might we might see some good ideas and realize we're not that far off especially because I think you're kind of like not your version of Communism is not how most people think of Communism right right which I would argue I have the the real version of Communism and they have the CIA funded yeah I haven't read the read little communism so I can't really comment on that I just know it's very negatively portrayed in the US and I think some of is deserved because I know a lot of people that come from these communist countries don't speak high of it I know again it's the people that are fleeing a lot of times but as a whole a lot of people that came from you know Russia places speak very negatively of Communism right and it part of that social pressure and like in Cuba you know a lot of the people who went to Miami were the plantation owners who got their Plantation seized by The Peasants you know and so they have their own interest and you know yeah no that's definitely true and in Russia actually 75% of people now say they prefer the Soviet economic model because things got so bad after the collapse because their whole economy was sold off to Western shareholders and before you know things weren't perfect absolutely not perfect especially in the 80s and 0 early 90s of the USSR but like people had free daycare they the average cost of rent was 2 or 3% of your income versus Under capitalism is like 20 some per average cost of utilities was 1 to 2% of their income and all of a sudden after the collapse that these people were thrown into this rigid individualistic capitalist system where if you can't afford daycare well you're [ __ ] out of luck and they didn't know how to cope no that's tough like I mean I don't know how a single mother is supposed to pay for daycare right daycare is especially something semide decent you don't want to send your kid to some crappy daycare it's like almost the wages of the uh of what they're making so it's impossible so I do understand like you know people consider I guess I'm kind of right leaning but I'm not like I'm not stuck on any I don't I don't I'm willing to listen to other perspectives if they make sense you know people get like too caught up and oh I'm right or I'm left it's like okay we have a lot of problems in our country we do need work to fix them it isn't really I get it you know you have your kids and stuff but you should be able to work I mean there's no reason why we can't have free daycare that's good too not not this crap our schools are terrible too our schools are falling apart it's like all of our money it's like a big Ponzi scheme in the US it's all going overseas to Legal immigrants it's like so you know there there is a lot of fixing we need to do absolutely and and On the Border issue too we want to secure the Border I mean this is left to start calling for open borders that's not that's I was actually the next question I was going to ask you I was very curious your opinion on the border so yeah yeah I mean we don't want to separate kids from their families or do things that are inhumane it needs to be safe but like you got to have a secure border there are people calling for open borders like this is absurd and if you the top places where refugees are fleeing are Syria Venezuela Ukraine all places where youest heavily involved yes no it's I'm I'm I don't want Refuge coming in but we are destroying the places too you know like it's like we're destroying the countries and people are coming in I still don't think we should take them but it is it is partially our fault right and if we would there would be way less people fleeing if we would just you know stop doing that and and but yeah you need to SEC need a secure border you know it needs to it needs to you have to have an idea of who's in your country especially if you're giving you know free health care free free child care you can't do those things without it and that's what Bernie Sanders was always hardcore borders borders borders then Trump came along and the left went against borders so B ber Bernie followed along it was it was so pathetic and sad to see sad I learned I worked for him in 2020 that taught me so much yeah and he didn't even when they stole the election from he didn't even he just took it just took it that was just so embarrassing I can't even explain how angry the people on the campaign were I could imagine I mean there were people on the campaign who were just like Democratic staffers trying to climb the ladder but no it was people were pretty mad on the uh so his his followers actually saw that they didn't just make excuses for it yeah yeah they're more they're more uh aware than Trump supporters then yeah right there were a lot of people like me and Jackson who were just like you know we don't agree with Bernie on the woke stuff but he's going to fight for healthare you know so whatever and he's talking about ending the war so whatever we'll work for him and then we saw the failures of the campaign how he was cucked by the Democrats and didn't even call it out didn't even call it out so embarrassing I was never a Bernie supporter but I respected him after that I'm like I can't respect this guy no stars just flipped on the borders other stuff too I can't remember what he's flipped on a bunch of things now it's like he had for so many years he held his integrity and he just lost it like why are you going go at your deathbed a few years before you die and just become a coward and sellout so pathetic the end of his life and if you read his biography he was running as an independent in Vermont you know he was openly like I'm a socialist but Vermont was a red State and they voted for a guy who was a socialist year after year because he would just go to the people and say what do you want they'd tell him not you know so much of politics is focused on bathrooms and all these weird fighting over stupid stuff yeah they are real issues but they're not the main issues the main issues is the economics so I don't disagree with that right so he would just say you know like what do you want people would tell him we want these roads fixed there's potholes on this road and he would get it done so they kept voting for a socialist year after year even though these people were Republicans and then he got into the national elections and that's when the Democrats got their hooks in him and he became a [ __ ] yeah you mentioned pothole that's a good thing you know I was living in California with 133% State Tax Plus our federal tax and there like the roads are the roads are a mess then they they charge you tolls on top of it to pay for the road roads so you're paying you know $10 to cross a bridge another $3 AC cross this road it's like where's our money going it just doesn't make any sense it's robbery no they're just robbing Us blind you know right but okay under under communism so the massive corporations you guys probably wouldn't allow the government runs those or is it a mix or um yeah probably like would want to nationalize a lot of them like make them publicly owned you know and then say rather than the share the Surplus going to wall Street it gets invested in the workers expanding production and then social welfare what do you do with like say the guy who founded this business he did really well you give him a large payout and let him retire a nice life or he can start another business if he wants or pretty well yeah but I mean re because sometimes these guys are better at running their company so it gets a little tricky realistically you would need to work with them because they know how to run their company so you would need to and this is the like there's no just overnight switch to Communism it's a transition and like Lenin openly said we're going to have to learn to work with the capitalist M you know we'll just have to say you're you're not allowed to pay your workers dirt anymore them no safety and no benefits you know you got to give them those things but you need to work with these people understand how their company some people are good at business they're good at making these things so you can't deny that you get rid of certain people it's not going to operate like you know he might not like Elon Musk but he knows how to run companies you know he makes good he makes good cars he makes does good with Twitter he's like I don't know much about the star you know company does but he obviously knows business right I've been staying at the Trump Hotel this week and I told that to my friend I'm like man the guy knows how to run a hotel right Trump hotels are awesome yeah I'll Trump Hotel sometimes yeah it was sweet I liked how there wasn't the casino in the basement and all the craziness was kind of like an escape from Vegas but yeah but know it's cool little spot so you would still allow people to get fairly rich though under your communism so it's kind of I guess I guess similar to like China because people there's still a lot of rich people in China but you just don't want anyone super poor right no poverty you eliminate poverty but let people get it we want everyone to be rich D Shel ping the guy who opened up China to foreign capital in the 70s and allowed more us companies in he said to be rich is glorious and he said that was a real change for communist ideology like we're not going to fetishize Poverty anymore no I don't no one no one should have to be poor you know but again people do work harder than others there has to be some kind of human nature is to kind of climb to the top you know that from wrestling so there has to be some kind of reward benefit otherwise people aren't going to aren't going to work on things yeah it needs to be a meritocracy for sure and right now the meritocracy is like you have a lot of doctors who go into being doctors just to make money you know and I wish there was more of a a focus on going into these jobs for the good of your community to heal people get people healthy right that's what they should be a doctor for but you're right it's not it's about making money yeah I mean they tried pushing I think like four surgeries on me I didn't I didn't get any of them you know my knee like three all doctors said oh you're need definitely needs a surgery didn't get it it was like 9mon recovery I'm like I think I could just rehab it for three months myself did that and feels fine now yeah I mean it was pretty messed up I had to actually take some time off and Rehab it cuz I I'm stubborn kept trying to train on it and kept repoing and I was going to get the surgery and I'm like you know what N9 Monon recovery I'm going to try rehabbing it for a few months without training did that and it was fine yeah I it with child birth too 30% of births are C-sections now it's not even healthy it's they push it on the they they know what they're doing too they give them a lot of times they'll they'll induce the birth and then it causes the baby's heart rate to speed up they know this but then they start oh the heart rate's beating up the parents are going to panic they don't want to lose their baby and then they suggest to CX they know what they're doing they they move them along it's it's terrible they're doing yeah there are cases where they're needed but it's rare right it should be like 2% maybe or one 1% and now it's like 33% it's just criminal so that's though I agree with all this corruption that's why these conversations are are interesting because we we have to figure figure way to fix it the one problem I see is um human nature people you know they they want to go to the top so how do you stop the government from doing that yeah you need like uh in China I like Deng sha ping and that guy in the 70s who said to be Richard's glorious but like corruption became a huge problem after that but they call the 90s the wild 90s in China because a lot of people in the party were extremely corrupt and that's actually why xiin ping is so popular in China because he launched these anti-corruption efforts and basically tried and jailed or fired anybody who was corrupt so it needs like you need discipline and the society needs to hold itself accountable and it can very easily devolve like the Soviet Union got very corrupt yeah so yeah that's part of my problem I think it could work with like a strong semi dictator type leader and you know hang hang the traitors I think it can work like that but it's like it could easily fall apart to a guy completely taking everything leaving his people with nothing that's where it gets complicated I just don't think there could be any system more corrupt than what we have in the US I think man it's pretty bad right now it's just the people they do not serve us I think everyone's starting to see it they're literally basically say [ __ ] you to us you know money all goes to Ukraine instead you know the schools are terrible you can't even send your kid to a public school you know a lot of people can't afford a private school but it's like private schools are expensive but like if you have the money you have to send your kid because the public education are just so terrible here it shouldn't be that way when you're paying that money that you you know you can't but oh you also got to send your kid to private school and you're already paying the taxes for the public school makes no sense yeah no my dad and sister are public school teachers and there like I mean my sister just getting into it but my dad's seen it change over the last few years's gotten really bad right it's is all about like test taking and not like actually teaching your kids right memorization yeah you don't learn anything from test taking it's like you actually have to have a relationship with the kids to be respected and like teach them life lessons and now it's just about oh take this standardized test right you got to teach them how to think critically which is the opposite of what we do it's memorize this information get tested on it forget it you know how to think that that that's crucial you know and like it's a parent that's what I tell people like if you have kids teach them how to think too you know let them even challenge you like obviously in a respectful manner but teach them like don't don't just automatically believe whatever you would say you know like my daughter I would always let her like like challenge me like obviously not in a disrespectful way but we could debate things and started getting really really good coming up with good points and a few times I would have to be like damn I think you I think you you know I think you I think you might be right it can be hard to admit for a parent but I think it's so crucial to teach your kid how to think and like have these not don't just trust what you're told think why what are the reasons and schools like they're even saying now uh somewhere recently I saw it was saying don't do your own research just just just trust what they tell you or in Co they're really pushing that don't do your own research they were mocking people like for doing their own research exactly mocking people for reading now for looking into stuff no that was right when I retired from fighting so I had a ton of free time so I did deep Research into it and to me it was I was very aware of what was going on and everyone's going you're not a doctor you don't know what you're talking about and it's like you don't need to be a doctor to read through studies and graphs yeah all this stuff was publicly available even before they closed down America we we saw in Italy it was like people that were dying had five comorbidities I think they were like 81 or 83 that's why I was I got really really mad at Trump for closing down the country and everyone's like well he didn't know and it's like well if if I knew why shouldn't Trump have known right I think it's not bad to expect the president to be as smart as me I don't think I'm any genius and it did take some time but I was I went and carefully went through all the data so by the time they closed down the country I was just like what this is not going to affect healthy people like me right and I was 100% right I mean there's no People Like Us dying people that did die because they're putting on ventilators REM Desir it was this drug they were pushing because it was really expensive because there was no uh there was no money to be made in hydrochlor Queen and ior mechon right right so they didn't push that and you know I don't I don't know much about that I don't know if that was effective or wasn't but a lot of people seem to think it was but there was no money in it I know yeah I know a lot of people they were in the global South you know like countries like in Africa and Latin America and they took iveron because the vaccine was being blocked and yeah they they swear by it I yeah I know people that took it and swear by it too so it probably was effective thing is if they would have said that worked they wouldn't have been able to push the vaccine on us right they wouldn't an emergency you know and they tried I was in California San Francisco I wasn't allowed to go into restaurants without it I wasn't allowed to go into bars they treated me like I was some kind of so I was like [ __ ] you people yeah that was one nice moved out here that was one nice thing about Iowa was like we had a right government and like I live right on the border in Illinois was locked down Iowa not so much Wisconsin was locked down too I was studying epidemiology at the time like and I same as you I saw the writing on the wall then I got suspended from my job as a wrestling coach and this Super Why why did they suspend you for CU I didn't have the second back I only had the first one they made me get I got super sick and this woke lady game was big lecture about how I could have killed my wrestlers they made us wrestle with masks on oh my God so we're sweating all over each other wearing masks that's just disgusting and that's when I started to be like okay what is yeah I was running Jiu-Jitsu illegally in San fro but everyone was scared to come in so people suggesting masks I'm like no just don't come in we you know we're not wearing masks and then people like well maybe I have one partner it's like if you just come in if you want you can go on the side of the partner but I'm I'm switching Partners I'm like I'm running class completely normal and it's legal but but San FR not people even coming in guys be like oh my wife won't let me and then they're like wanting to have have a little social distance guys are wanting to come in like oh we come to different time I was like oh you guys are just so lame I know people got divorced over it cuz their wives bought into it and they were more skeptical and it's sad it really showed the human nature people are just sheep when they'll follow along it's stuff that he thought was like you know you seen history books and stuff and you're like wow humans will still just follow what they're told without any critical thinking without any any without doing their own research well the doctor said the CDC said it's crazy and the CD the C like the CDC has their best interest right right and the one that fouchy runs the yeah yeah those guys have our best health fouchy was just absolute dirt back he's the one that had um during the AIDS epidemic he pushed um a which was poisoning the gay people and killing them I had a gay cousin at the time he was totally fine for years with it he ignored it but finally he got tested and he's like oh I got it they put him on a instantly he got sick started falling apart dying later you know I read the um rfk's book and it showed it tracked how the soon as they stopped giving that a or really small small mounts to stop having a bunch of gay people you notice they're not dying from AE anymore when I was a kid they're dying like crazies because they're poisoning with a a fou was this experiment so was the drugs that was killing them not the disease that's crazy I I've been meaning to read rfk's book it's really good I mean RFK has been an absolute disappointment on but but overall he's great on uh you definitely should read that book it's really good I don't get why he's friends with Rabbi schoy that whack job cuz RFK seems so rational and then he's hanging out with I like but he's just so off of that must be some kind of highle Mafia because everyone goes and Bows to him you know Michael Jackson all these politicians are always going and kissing his ass so he must have some deep deep connections you know like the the mafia those people have is pretty serious I think Michael Jackson was said he was scared he was going to kill him the Michael Jackson rabbit hole is interesting I was completely evinced I was completely adinc he was a pedophile disgusting but then it's like you start looking at the things and it's like a lot of kids like absolutely not the people with Su them were all for money parents kid it was like a big big money grab so it's did you see the Candace Owens video on that that was how I I didn't watch that I kind of randomly went down that rabbit hole cuz someone's like oh I don't think he was guilty like of course he's guilty and I started going down and like wow they make you out to be the worst possible thing yes yeah that's the the go-to smear I don't know if you've heard of Scott Ritter I've heard of him but I haven't watched a lot his stuff I hear he's great but he start watch him I haven't watched much of his stuff yeah they smeared him as a a pedophile or whatever just for being anti anti too yeah yeah we can talk a little about that we can just always cut it too because I know you're like super um we can well let's go to commun a little more before we switch over actually so uh what about the the Second Amendment would you would keep that yeah markx actually has a quote that says any attempt to disarm the worker should be disrupted by force if necessary so Communists have real Communists have always been very proun you stop the government no because because you are supposed to stop the government here that's why it's here for America yeah you know it's it's not you know it's it's to fight the government not just random people that's the whole point of it a lot of people don't realize that that's why we need ARs and all this you know people like oh you can't win that way it's like you can though it's not home it's not easy for them you know yeah they have drones tanks but it's not that easy you know when people have guns they can creep up I Gorilla War and the mil many military members would probably join you know any kind of rising against the government and that would cause problems for them logistically it's very possible to to have a gorilla war that overthrows a government not that I'm advocating for no it's happened multiple times you know we lost to Vietnam we we we lost to Afghanistan in the Hills you know hopefully hopefully in Palestine Israel will lose it just it shows that you can win these Guerilla warfar over long periods of time because it's hard when if resistance just keeps fighting right I mean yeah palestine's a perfect example how many bombs have they dropped on the tiny little God of strip think more than like World War II I think I read somewhere or something or more than they dropped on England in World War II at least it's just just disgusting right this tiny little strip of land but yeah the people keep fighting they keep killing leaders and MH yeah and they tried making that c War into a coward and then they you know they released the footage like you're calling this guy coward he's on the front lines fighting covered in dust his arms basically blown off has a torqu it you know he's still still throwing sticks to the drones when they come to kill him this guy fights to his last breath it's fine to not like what he does but to call him a coward it just shows you how out of touch they are absolutely yeah that was inspiring for me I actually ended up almost getting banned on Tik Tok again because I had a few drinks and started defending senoir on on Tik Tok but you know it just shows you how they miscalculated to them they're like haha we're going to show this guy dying because they don't understand you know they're such cowards they with their Dron and show guy dying but it's like this guy's you know you you can definitely say he's done some bad things but ultimately he's defending he's defending his land it's like this is he has nowhere to go they probably killed you know all his friends family what's he going to do you know he's in his 60s but he still they were telling us the whole time that he was hiding in a tunnel like a like a rat he's a coward hiding under hid in hospitals he was right in the front line engaging with tanks with his soldiers you know he's the leader of Hamas you know Benjamin Netanyahu is hiding in a bunker yeah like telling us this guy is the coward it's fine to say you don't like what he does but say he's a coward no hiding behind his us backed weapons andar 19 years in isra prisons being tortured and that's the thing there's thousands of Palestinians in isra prisons being tortured and then they're talking about we need to bomb them to get the hostages back like you have Palestinian hostages yeah and and they've been offering the hostages back this whole time right yeah and they're also big on rape a lot of guys probably don't admit their rape but they try to like rape all to like dehumanize them and you know make them humiliate them they probably I think it happens a lot more than the guys want to admit but they're like they're fatuated raping everyone they're dis disgusting people but none of the Palestinian hostages were raped or abused that was that was a you know that was a a spy for that wrote that story it was a mad spy it just came out the the mass rapes and the before he headed babies all the prisoners would come out and be like oh we were treated great because he was very big on treat the prisoners good yeah I mean kidnapp people is still terrible so I'm not going to defend that right but the plan was like a hostage swap right yeah yeah it was uh tactical and they were treated better like you said than the I mean there's so much documented torture in his since it's out of oh even even on Wikipedia will say it people people can like Google Wikipedia Israel torture and doesn't even deny it it's like proven known thing they have massive torture camps and it's just we turn a blind eye to it Yep they're the only civil supposed of civilized country in the world that's still torturing and America did it at one point but it's a stain on us where it was embarrassing the guys were in jail we don't look at that proudly and yet Israel still does it and we give them money right and they literally was they were on camera gang raping some guy yeah and then protesting their right to do it afterward yeah they had riots to get the guys out of jail and the guys going on TV at TV star it's just a it's just a sick Nation it is it's a truly sick society and that's why I I think that to cease to exist eventually as a state you I mean you at least can't have an ethnos State you can't say Arabs are banned here we get this land it's all ours and they're not allowed in like that's not civilization no plus they they want to keep taking lands the thing too I don't know if you know greater probably aware of that then it's not like a conspiracy it's like they have they wear it on their uniforms and Netanyahu holds pictures of it they want to take pieces of everyone's always well why don't the other Arabs nations take take the refugees it's because they plan on taking their land next yes and it's terrible the Palestinians are just used as pawns I feel so terrible for them it's like Gaza is just a punching bag every time Hezbollah does something they just bomb Gaza bomb these kids and it's uh yeah and and to the the the justification for armed resistance like the only time is ever given land back was when they took the Sinai desert from Egypt and then Egypt in that was in 1967 and then 1970 or 1973 Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack where they were able to kill like 200 some IDF members and it was the most casualties Israel had ever taken and then Egypt was able to negotiate to get the desert back so the only language that Israel understands is force you know well the in war guy he he was in 20 18 and 19 they did a um they wanted to do a peaceful protest to try a border protest so they're like oh we're going to march on the border to see if this works this is the same guy like let's try something different they responded by killing 223 46 children uh shooting like 10,000 and and like I think a thousand of them they shot in the dicks like intentionally to take their manhoods away like laughing about it so that's how they respond to Peaceful protests exactly all they did walk up to the walls yeah so what what would any man do in America are you going to sit there and take it or are you going to you know so they called them terrorists like who's the terrorists exactly like I don't ideologically agree with Hamas Hamas aren't Communists they're you know based in Muslim their religion but like if the same thing was happening in America there'd be Christian militias or whatever I hope yeah I would hope so CU there better be militias if people they're not let people just come and take our land and kill us and rape us and torture us and right yeah it's hard for Americans to put themselves in other people's shoes but I feel like the world is waking up to the Israel they're definitely becoming unpopular it's hard because our politicians go are all bought by them and they push for him so heavily you know Trump a lot of people whatever Trump says they just repeat so it's so disappointing that Trump's uh doesn't speak truth in that yeah I had a coach who I was really getting to getting through to him on and then as soon as Trump came pro-israel just yeah because Trump was in the middle and once he went hard yeah that was terrible but I think the world's seeing it and overall people are turning on him and yeah that's why this podcast is so awesome too CU you're bringing so many people together who are different ideologies willing to talk to Comm or whatever about it yeah and like I said I'm willing to talk talk to anyone just happens to be people keep being uh I haven't had to haven't had any pros this yet I guess I should at some point but man it's it's almost hard to talk to them it's like how are you going to like when someone's like Pro killing children I need to do it at some point but that's a tough conversation to have it is and you're probably not going to learn anything they're just going to repeat talk gas light and talking point yeah no cuz that's when I first went to when I started paying attention they were just speaking talking point after talking point to me and just wasn't quite adding up cuz I was trying to go down to the West I had a friend on there I was trying to go to the West Bank and they weren't letting me and that's when I started going home started doing a lot of research and they're they're great they're talking points they're amazing this always our homeland we were invaded all the time why can't we have our own Nation it's like they don't realize they can't they just start massacring people taking more and more land one of my favorite books is Norm finklestein's the Holocaust industry because his parents were H survivors but he says in the 1950s most Americans didn't know happen they didn't know it was a thing then in the 60s is realized we can use the Holocaust as to you know get people to support Zion and they started building all these hoca museums pushing it in schools you have all these you know celebrity Holocaust Survivors emerge and and they tie it to Israel and it's a good talking point yeah we were genocided so we should be allowed to genocide Hollywood they made like what thousands of movies about it who happens to be ran by people no it's it's brilliant it's you know like you look the old books by like um all the books after the war they don't mention the right it wasn't until like you know like I said 10 20 years later the thing right I'm not supposed to do this I think I'm going to have a debate on uh on here the problem is I'm having a hard time finding someone that'll bait I have a denier but I'm having a hard time someone that'll argue that it happened i' had three people pull pull out so far once I give them the name of the guy they're supposed to debate they do a little research and they're like yeah I'm going to pull out of this I don't know I don't have a strong opinion I just think we the idea that you're not allowed to talk about that pisses me off yes you know it's like you can go to jail like 19 countries for talking about it that's why I think okay let's have a debate and see right and finlin the guy who wrote that industry book who would be great if you could get him to do that debate I think but he uh yeah he got so cancelled for that book and he's not a h he says that it happened repeatedly in the book but he says here's how they exaggerated it and used it to get people to support it well I think a perfect example the be the conversation you're like you think it exaggerated the death in communism I don't know if that's true or not but you should be allowed to say that and question it but you can't question these deaths like you know even like on you YouTube or anywhere like all even I think even in Twitter you get pulled down for it right it's like it's the one thing that you can't question it just shows because it rather it happened that not it was still turned into an industry and a talking point and a power thing and and they use that to like oh we can do this because the right but you're not allowed to say like King Leopold of Belgium in 1908 killed 10 million people cones people and cut off their hands was it 10 million yeah 10 million yeah 10 15 million yeah 10 million right I think you're right yeah insane just absolutely brutal torture hard even knows who he is one of the most evil people ever right right you know was a really in the Congo they don't know about it they they don't teach him yeah nothing politically useful about it no exactly I'm I'm sure Hitler wasn't a good dude but they they they made him the face of evil so use that to their advantage right and tie I would argue that they tried to tie communist leaders to him too um like there's a book called origins of totalitarianism that says you know Hitler and Stalin were the same and because Hitler was already viewed as the the the boogeyman you know you're able to and that's what they do every time time they want to invade some you know Saddam Hussein's Hitler um senoir is Hitler you know it's just everybody's Hitler they use as an excuse for like oh we killed these kids in the house but they had minec in their in their room like oh they read mine comp like I killed their children right like if you had my home destroyed too I'd be you know they just planted that yeah but if they did is that a reason to to kill someone oh they oh they read a book with mean words right right it's like why shouldn't you read just because you read a book doesn't mean you got to agree with the guy you can understand understand why you hate him then no I I like reading like all points M so what do you think if um this goes to both capitalism and communism so I guess it doesn't make a difference but if you look at the a lot of the people controlling capitalism you look at like you know Black Rock Vanguard same people run them it's you know I think 18 of the top hedge fund managers all the top donors of the democratic party all Trump's top donors you get most people that own most of the social media they own almost all of our media they own Hollywood you know all the same group then you look at communism created by by the group about about 50% of the Bolsheviks I believe were I tried looking it up it's hard to get exact numbers it looked like about 50% Putin said like 80 85% of the Soviet first s Soviet government was that one I have friends who did a big deep dive into that and I don't know if it was as high as 50 but I I know in China there were were less and they were actually funding the pfp the Palestinian Liberation group and they Outpost of Western imperialism and Stalin was against as well and he fought against them within the Soviet party yeah at the time early on I think they had anti-Semitism was death penalty but later he purged most of the je people so it's definitely later it wasn't but early on I think it was mostly like the not mostly but like very very high percentage um they didn't wouldn't mean because same thing in capitalism it doesn't mean one's necessarily wrong but it's like the same people we see manipulating both yeah I would argue that there are historical reasons why there are so many people in positions of power because they were given these jobs as money lenders because the Abraham or the not the abramic the Muslim and Christian people didn't want to do it and yeah were you know oppressed and treated like crap so they got pushed into these money lending and banking jobs which then you know now Banks run everything they were and people tend to keep money in the family just culturally they pass it down to their kids um so but I would argue that it's it's the ownership that gives them the power not the fact that they're like Bill Gates I agree no no I I definitely agree with that no I agree it's probably it probably said it probably comes from the banking but then you but then you look it's still they're controlling a lot of things you look at like Black Rock that's not a good company I think we'd agree on that right in Vanguard they're manipulating all all of our companies and it's like this by no means means people are bad but it seems like a lot of the ones from the bankers don't seem like they're doing the best things I think Zionism is really not completely ruined the community but it's it's destroyed it in a lot of ways because it's it tells tells young Jew kids that you have to support this genocidal ethnos State this apartheid state that's murdering children otherwise you're a bad Jew and now and nothing creates more anti-Semitism than Israel because you see this country that wraps itself in the Star of David and claims to represent people and then bombs children and pushes propaganda to convince the community to support them so it's had a a terrible effect on the community themselves but as for like running communism I mean Stalin was Slavic yeah he wasn't I know he wasn't either he had some bank I know Mal had some bankers that that backed him but but again the bankers I guess back all the wars so you can't necessarily say that means anything right Hitler had a slush fund too that that a lot of big Bankers including Bankers are fun only pretty wild right and he early on he worked with his to uh it wasn't his first choice but he worked with his to bring them over to people don't know that that he worked hand it was before the world war what it's called it was something Dam I can't think the name of it the havara or something it shows but I mean you you could look it up it shows that he worked with for multiple years to bring them to is it was trying to get them to get him out because they they couldn't get people they're trying to get there to take the land the bankers were funding it but people weren't coming there like they thought so they're like oh we can have Hitler push him out to it here yeah he it wasn't it wasn't until like 1941 that he stopped supporting that the Nazis stopped exporting expulsion you know like that Hitler would have loved Israel just s all the Jew didn't want in Germany there I don't think he loved it cuz he liked the Middle East people but he wanted them out of there so he's just like all right so he struck a deal with them right like if they went there they could like bring some of their money or something like that otherwise think they were confiscating their goods right it would have been extremely politically useful for what he wanted yeah and it and it was and it was useful for they loved it too like oh perfect this can get people here it's just so weird is the use Nazism to justify their genocide it's like you're the you know you're like a mirror of them or you like um it's they wanted to expel the people so you're like yep okay people should leave we can't assimilate into Europe we'll just take this land from the Arab people well in that same time they were like killing British soldiers and stuff during World War II they were fighting Britain and Israel and then you see him today like oh no one came to her Aid Netanyahu saying and stuff it's like oh you were busy uh massacring Palestinians now yep Y no yeah it's crazy I don't I don't know when we'll see an end to it but I feel like can't last forever the way they're going the way they're turning the entire Arab world unless they change what they're doing they've just gone completely psycho right now I think they're really trying to push us into uh World War III which is insane I don't know why but that's what it appears like they're doing the way it's going it can't really last it's going to have to be a new government that's going to try to strike a deal or or because they might last for a while with the US backing but they've lost the young people and they're not going to get them back it's not like in two years they're be like oh their greatest Ally they're not going to forget what they've seen right no exactly and there's been this right word like there used to be like labor Z which was like we're you know isra socialist is is Progressive is's this you know Wonderful land where Western values are protected and then then in the next 70 years it's just shifted to Netanyahu the psychopath you know like um complete extremist and and he formed a coalition with people who are even more psycho than him like Ben gavier know like is pretty bad all along but now they're particularly bad it's been overall they've done some bad stuff but they controlled the media but Netanyahu is even for really bad there was one point I can't remember his name there was a prime minister who was trying to do some peace deals and he was a fascinated it shows this no problem killing either no absolutely not or Christians even though I'm from an Evangelical Christian family and talking to some of them about like there and I did Research into that that that uh idea that the we need to support as part of an end times prophecy as Christians like that was didn't come about till the 70s when they started pushing it push this too they were really smart I think you know some bankers again they hired some guy to like what you write the scope Bible I don't know the details behind it but they got that they put yeah they put like the notes with is as are uh you know blessed is and now they you know Christians yeah that didn't come along until yeah what you say 6070s from then I had someone in my church who's been to who told me that in the 1967 war god came down from heaven with a sword and helped the isra defeat the Arabs and they're like and I believe that no it was the US militarian Bankers that came down right they had all the weapons and yeah gave them Boeing and Ron weapons it's just so unfair and that's you know it pisses me off my money paying for that typically uh under communism back to this real quick you guys typically don't try to get in random Foreign Wars right yes very not completely isolationist you know self-defense is yeah you got to have a military of course right there's just Wars but like yeah we would pull out of Ukraine immediately pull out of pull out of Syria you know and invest all that money back at home yeah America first which it should be I think a lot of people agree with America first thing but except for the politician it's like everything should be everything should be put into the America you know I don't want nothing against you know refugees and stuff coming in but I don't want they have free health insurance a lot of them and I don't like how does that make sense right just like or some other guy that doesn't have much money doesn't have free healthcare and they're giving it to some immigrant and these guys are getting free hotels in uh New York but yet there's guys homeless on the streets that are American citizens right yeah drug adle and have no rehab other than I mean the rehab facilities are just to suck more money out of you really the same PE the Sackler family who created the opioid Cris same people that we were talking about but right yeah know they were just yeah they were just awful people yeah they created the they knew the opiate epidemic was addictive and they lied what did they get a couple billion dollar fine and they're worth like 100 billion or something and they find like oh $2 billion dollar fine for killing hundreds of thousand people year or something I I've lost a couple friends to Opi OPI ODS you might iow imagine is probably pretty big it's some of the like the most upstanding people I know too like people from my church and they get an injury and they get prescribed opioids next thing you know they're stealing from their family members to get by no it's terrible when you see a friend get hooked they're not themselves anymore no yeah it destroys you no it's yeah being drug addiction what under communism what how do you deal with like drug addiction because people obviously aren't going to be working is it something you go after and put them to rehab like uh well we want everyone working still you know but uh like uh we want more job opportunities for people and like programs to help people rehabilitate and get back on their feet um but like the like military could be used to crack down on like the gangs and the drug tra like Buel in El Salvador he took the military and cracked down on the M13 gangs and it's way safer now no he's done he's been criticized for that but he's done great he went after all the gangs cracked him up and I saw Trump criticizing him too like this guy like cleaned it up you sometimes you have to get rid of the trash and again I don't think a small amount of drug use is terrible but when you see someone who's addicted like I live in San Francisco and the streets were just covered in junkies people stumbling around on I think I think part of the problem is both the the meth and the fth andol so cheap now so guys are just so strung out and they're causing a problem and you can't allow that there has to be you know I used to be like oh all drugs should be legal but then I see that and I'm like okay there has to be a they have to do something about it you know they they shut down certain drugs and if you're not if you're not functioning Society then yeah maybe you should be forced to rehab would you agree with that or no yeah I would say like rehab needs to be expanded and then like right now it's really aimed at sucking people's money it's really expensive I think for like the really bad ones and there's like rich people yes like that are just spas or luxury spas but like um yeah and then crack down on like the drug traffickers like you know people they're these big criminal organizations trafficking things like heroin and you know I don't and the way that things are classified too is doesn't make any sense like weed is classified the same way as heroin yeah that doesn't make sense we need to prioritize crack down heroin and math and no yeah like that's cuz said I was like oh drugs be legal until it's actually around you know meth and and fanol and stuff like wow this destroys people yeah I I saw someone smoking meth for the first time the other day sorry I'm turning my phone yeah no worries I've done that I did that when I was first the podcast like Bing Bing like all crap um but yeah I mean it's terrible you see they they just look like zombies yeah it's like living in San Francisco you become like anti-homeless it's not because they're homeless because the people you see they're they're drug addicts they're stealing from you they're aggressive they're in your face it's just like they're everywhere in LA and in San Francisco it's like it's like unreal if you haven't been out there you walk around like walking zombies and that can't be allowed these people need to be arrested and forced into rehab it's it's for their own good allowing them to die in the streets is not and they act like the Liberals are like oh it's it's you know we're letting them be free and stuff and it's like oh they're they're killing themselves they're destroying other people they're robbing they're stealing this just tears apart the whole society you have to look at the whole society too there there's I believe in individual rights but there's also other people's rights and I think the communism is about looking at the whole society correct yeah definitely and that that's yeah I was going to say it's a very communist principle like you know this affects everyone when there's people who are basically zombies from heroin on the streets and they could get violent especially if they're going through withdrawals and I'm not suggesting that we throw them into the US prison system the way that it exists now where recidivism is 70 80% but that needs to be transformed then we need to try do something to rehabilitate these people and because right now the system just leaves them behind and like how are you supposed to get out of that once you don't have a house or anywhere to shower a cell phone yeah they need to be first they need to be forced to be so and then given like work programs and stuff problem is you can't they want act like the drugs aren't the problem and it is with these people it has to be the drugs first and it needs to be forced you know I know that some people say that's like like too mean but when these people anyone that's been around these people they're not good people they become like zombies that's not good for them either for it's in their best interest to force these people to be sober and sometimes it might take a while you might have to hold them for a couple months in like some kind of like rehab center and and start forcing them to work but just allowing them to like and if they're not willing to do it then yeah then maybe you're going to go in jail but give them a way out as soon as they're willing to work I think most of them be like okay I don't want to be in here I'll work my way out yeah a lot of them would I think and yeah meth is like turns people into the devil yeah um he'll do anything for it but yeah I'm I'm in full agreement with that and like I'm not saying we bring back the Soviet goog system but that was the idea that like we're going to give people jobs set them to work and then we'll send them back into society once they're rehabilitated and used to working every day yeah they said those are Bruto but yeah working maybe like short short term like two three months might actually could be a good answer you know or someone's you know messed up a couple times you know get sent to be forced to work like six months not where they're beating them and working them to death but maybe that would be better than regular prison right and the Googs even had minimum wage actually there's been a lot of I didn't know that yeah like in the US prisoners make like 12 cents an hour they because they wanted to be Humane about it you know or at least give the appearance of being Humane so they gave them like minimum wage and gave them job skills and um then they eventually abolished them when there was a bunch of negative press about the K yeah right yeah when were they done way with towards the end of the Soviet Union yeah I think it was like the 60s or 70s maybe after Stalin yeah I haven't done enough research but I know supposedly they were really really bad and I'm sure they were at least pretty bad right yeah I'm sure it wasn't fun yeah right getting sent to stuck to a wor Work Camp and a lot of that was people just criticizing communism and stuff but you would allow like criticism of it just yeah they had to become a military dictatorship because they were fighting the Nazis so like that would not be anything I would argue for implementing it was more out of necessity where like you had all these traders who were like you know attacking the government and siding with the Nazis so like at that time they're like we don't have time for this we have to prepare to defeat because every Western analyst was predicting the Soviet Union just get rolled by Germany like they thought it wasn't even because like I said the sovet beginning country and like Germans had amazing army I think the beginning of the war they were smoking him but yeah and then the Soviets were able they post they had to put everything into military spending and it was basically like you know run like a military if you're criticizing your officer and siding With the Enemy well you're going to jail yeah they lost I don't know the numbers they lost a lot of people in Russia 27 million 27 million wow yeah that was and they dealt 80% of the German casualties yeah CU yeah they were the ones out there fighting the front lines against the Germans because they had so many lives to were able to take them you they were getting smoked but they just kept fighting on so many people brutal brutal War yeah it was existential threat because if Germany won they would have seized Russia and who knows what the world would look like today right it's hard to say worse better we have no idea to know right it's complex things so what do you think's been the um what would you say is the best country that's pulled off communism so far I know a lot of the countries have kind of gone down that's a good question I would say you got to point to modern China today because like the Soviet Union collapsed and things got too bureaucratic and corrupt at the end like especially with Cru jev in the 60s you I'm not a fan of him I'm more of a Stalin guy but um the like modern China they've lifted 800 million people out of poverty they do all these like if you look at um like building projects in the US there's so much red tape there's so much regulation and there's such a struggle to get financing from the banks whereas in China if they decide to do a project it's like you know two three weeks and there's giant skyscrapers no it's true they get done so much quicker and there is so much red tape much bureaucracy here so they yeah they get stuff done I mean I would say Cuba's done okay but they have major sanctions as well the embar makes it so difficult so it's hard to judge it because of that yeah their Healthcare System is still much better than ours and like Britain about how we could basically adopt Cuba and Venezuela style healthc care s well Venezuela let so Cuba's helped them out a lot but cubaan style Healthcare here would work because we'd actually have more money to to do what they did on a larger scale but like the Embargo is brutal it's a tiny island country they have very limited resources because they you know it's an island there's not like steel and stuff like that and then the US just surrounds them with their military doesn't let anything in or out it's like an oldfashioned Siege yeah I just don't understand why that's still going cuz the cold Wars ended a while ago so why do we still have bar do you have any idea because we can't they won't allow any kind of alternative economic system and because all of Cuba's resources are invested in things like healthc care infrastructure the people and Western not only do the shareholders need to rip us off here in the US but they're now reliant on super exploiting other countries so if a country says no we're going to kick out all the Western shareholders that's when you see the CIA going the US military go in the sanctions get applied it all has to do with what's best for Wall Street and the banking system yeah I think it would if all of a sudden Cuba did flourish it would look really bad yeah and that's what happened in 197 or 2017 because the pope pressured Obama to eleviate the Embargo and Cuba had the highest GDP in Central and Latin America they you know all of the sudden their economy started blowing up and flourishing um because they were free to to move and it's amazing I think what they've been able to accomplish even being under that blockade and I think it's hard for Americans to understand what that would even be like to live on an island where you're being strangled by a larger power yeah know I would love to be able to sit down and watch have them lifted and watch 20 years and see how they do you know it be it' be it' be good to be able to see okay this is what it is this is what's not is this doing better is this doing better exactly right but they that's it's a propaganda thing too they don't want a communist country to do anything well no I I agree they don't they don't want that because they want to vilify communist I still think there's problems with communist but it would just nice if we could actually see and let one go right and the that's Communists say that too like in China they say Stalin got and they they say Stalin was the greatest leader of all time he was the best communist but he got 30% of stuff wrong and 70% of stuff right and we need to learn from that and improve so even Communists are looking at past socialist projects and trying to do away with what didn't work and take what didn't but it's so hard when they're under this imperialist blockade yeah I think one big problem with Communism though you need it'll fall apart without a strong leader so if it's not like I mean maybe if it was running no but without a strong leader it seems like that's when the corruption comes in and so many problems but I mean I guess the same thing happens under capitalism right yeah it's true it's it's it's uh you have these Cults of Personality who arise with the revolution you know with the actual overthrowing of the existing government and they become Heroes but then who runs the country when they died like that was a huge problem in the Soviet Union because Kev took over he was a piece of crap like bureaucrat and he really took things the wrong direction whereas China had solid leaders who were able to take over after Ma and they took the country in a very different direction than what Ma wanted to do but but you know China together China is is doing a lot better I can't deny that and well Russia's not communist anymore but I mean Putin Putin's a very strong leader he goes I've seen videos of like the O Arch screwing people over and he goes and lectures them makes them like just chews them out makes them change things right there makes them sign a document right in front of him like wow this guy is like a strong leader he's like no sign this right now and the guy's just like started back talk for a second and he's like no and the guy like Signs it and imagine that in the US imagine KLA Harris going up to a Wall Street shareholder saying you're going to do this George Soros starts chewing out George Soros it' be the opposite he'd be chewing her out exactly right or Larry fink a black rock you guys are not doing this anymore it would never happen no they're just the biggest puppets here that's you know personally I know it's not supposed to like Putin but I think he's a pretty good leader overall I do too yeah and I mean yeah he's not in the the party that I support in Russia you know like I support the Communists who are the second largest party but they they voted for Putin this year because they said uh we're in Wartime Putin's a solid leader he's you know cracking down on the oligarchs we should support him and I I agree like I'm not saying he's perfect but yeah overall but he holds the country together it's like you can't rule all countries the same well I mean sometimes you need a strong rule I mean I guess it' be nice for America to have a strong rule leader too right I mean imagine how great it would be if someone cracked down on that's why people loed about Trump in 2016 they're like oh finally someone who's going to tell the oligarchs how it is but he's not running the same campaign anym anymore it's very maybe he'll surprise me and get in and go after these people but I'm very skeptical yeah me too he needs to actually drain the swamp yeah right yeah drain the swamp but but he filled it with the swamp with Bolton and Pompeo and all these no exactly like they put the worst possible people in yeah from the Bush Administration who he had been railing against on the campaign yeah it was a disappointment you know and it's you know sure I still like Trump but he's just disappointed me and then closing the country down pushing the vaccine right yeah kind of bragged about that too yeah have you ever been to Russia or no no not yet not yet Jackson's there right yeah no I want to go visit him out there he was we hung out in Miami told me to come out I'm like I need to do that so it's uh I want to go have traveled all the world never been to Russia it' be cool to go see that yeah H alen chairman of our party was just out there and they took him to the donbass which is the part in eastern Ukraine with mostly Russian speakers who have been fighting the war and yeah said it was very interesting talking to people and them telling him how the Ukrainian government was bombing their homes for years how the country was overrun by like these neo-nazis with swastikas would come in and kill them for being Russian and the Russian government came in and put a stop to it yeah it's not most American people think Russia just kind of randomly invaded Ukraine they don't know in 2014 the CIA and George Soros did a coup on their government because the guy was Pro Russia they put in you know this you know pro-america and now that zinsky and then they wanted to put NATO there which would be putting missiles on their border which we wouldn't allow that in Mexico and on top of this there were civil war with like where you said there a couple other places where they were bombing people these people want to be part of Russia not Ukraine so they looked at themselves as Russia is not Ukrainian so it's not like Putin was just invading trying to take over Ukraine he was trying to take land back of people that want to be part of Russia yes and he's people have this it's insane how disconnected from reality Americans are even some who are like people who I generally respect they think Putin's just this mad man like you can hate the guy all you want but he's very rational very measured extremely calculated smart and intelligent people probably be mad that we're talking good things about him in this podcast they'll take that oh these Putin puppets just but you know yeah he has bad things too but overall he's seemed like he's a good leader for Russia yeah yeah and everything he does is calculated he would never invade another country just because he you know F I was a little surprised we invaded him like oh that's that's a big challenge but exactly he definitely calculated and he's winning the war yep he's GNA win that war he can't lose it he's over calculated he had some big losses from it but he's you know he he can't lose it yeah it's um yeah it's it's interesting how the us too has said that Ukraine was going to win you know over and over and over and now they're forced to admit like oh not looking too good I mean Trump started saying pull out which is good but if not Kamala might keep it going for a couple more years but it's they don't have any soldiers left to fight no and that's what's so disgusting is all these a whole generation of ukrainians is being killed and these people act like they're Pro Ukraine like you're the ones destroying Ukraine cheering on the destru like all the Death exactly we just destroyed the country so we could launder a bunch of money to sell weapons nothing good was done Russia's still going to win the war was completely pointless did you see that Atlantic Council article too that they're basically just a thig like a mouthpiece for the military industrial complex and rate Theon boing locky Martin but they said here's zalinsky wants to turn Ukraine into a big Israel here's a road map Jesus that was their goal is to turn it into another Israel yeah I know I thought that too I'm like why are we so adamant on it is it something to do with that and yeah probably our politicians are just the Democrats are so gung-ho uh Ukraine the Republican so gung-ho War for Isel but either party we get War right the other thing they don't like is that countries like Iran Russia China vuela Cuba are all forming closer ties with each other and trying to overcome the US dominated Financial system that was created with the formation of the IMF and World Bank you know after World War II when the US was the only country that didn't get bombed to smithin so we emerged as the world superpower and now these countries are allying with each other and building alternative trade networks and trade with these countries who have been sanctioned by the US and NATO and the US are desperate to stop it they see China and Russia as the Catalyst yeah that's a major problem for America and it's like but I don't blame the people for doing that we forced them I think it's bricks right they push his organization together and it's like now it's Iran Iran China Russia I think North Korea all these big powerful they're allian together what probably Venezuela I'm not sure if I guess just applied to yeah sort of Cuba MH so it's going to be a big problem for America we're going to stop controlling the fin cial situation and you know that's controlling the world you got to control the finances right yes especially in the world today and I wish you know we should join bricks why not trade with these countries yeah I would rather be working with these countries than stuff right exactly we're working with the worst countries so yeah before we wrap up let's go um you're from Iowa right you wrestled Iowa growing up Iowa was like the people we looked up to like the Iowa wrestling the Dan Gable the is wrestling like super big out there or no yeah it's pretty big definitely bigger than down south um yeah I wrestled at like a D3 college but like we would have a lot of people in the gym to watch us like um Dan Gable everybody knows Gable Gabe will come in you're here in his area yeah yeah I've met him a handful of times he's a legend that's the guy like you know the greatest probably one of the greatest wrestlers of all time and greatest coach of all time right yeah I I have even written articles about how Marxism has helped me with wrestling how the materialist worldview has helped me understand wrestling better but it's um yeah it's a big deal it's a big part of my life part of why I watch I like your show too you know even if we're not 100% ideologically in line you're a critical thinker and you come from the same kind of background as me so I just like watching you yeah that's what I'm like oh communist but you're a wrestler so we have a lot in common I think uh everyone parents should get their especially Sons should get them wrestling or doing some kind of martial art it just makes you a better person in every every aspect of life it just makes you so much tougher to deal with things so much better yeah especially nowadays like it's a great way to build character with your kids yeah because they're not really being pushed anymore no exactly when the last places really still push them yep some wrestling is pulling back a little bit from what it was it was pretty hardcore when I was a kid getting yelled at and stuff but it's it's good just to teach those kids that toughness especially boys you know there's a lot more girls wrestling now too but yeah I have a ton of girls who come to my club yeah it's crazy it's changed so much yeah so what age kids are you usually coach um high school and in youth okay um big age range but I love it you know um no it's so so great to give back you know I've coached a little bit with you know in high schools and stuff before and I really enjoyed it because the kids love it giving back it's so much fun right yeah I just want to help give them that discipline and some tools to go into the crazy world such a big part of their life especially that young age you know yeah they focus is makes them I think wrestlers most people makes some better people definitely I don't think it makes anyone a worse person no they're definitely some bad people who are wrestlers but but they were bad people anyways exactly yes exactly there some CRA a lot of crazy wrestlers but for sure do you get any push back from the parents because the communism stuff or not really I haven't yet I have one dad who makes jokes about it but They Don't Really Care yeah like you said if you you know you treat the kids good you become a good member of society that's that's the most important part exact that's all Americans care about they're not as anti-communist as like people think they are like I very rarely tell someone I'm a communist I don't have like a meltdown you know like oh okay what's that all about yeah we should be able to have different ideologies it's you know it's not worse than being part of the democratic party today exactly yeah like it's not worse than supporting genocide no exactly and that's why I'm you know be skip lection I can't I can't back genocide Republicans just full on gone you know full genocide mode yep yep and I was definitely leaning Republican before you know this war but then they go I thought they were anti-war free speech that's what they're running on that changed real quick yeah it's like genocide um anti-Semitism hate speech laws they want to say right and that's really just criticizing is or uhhuh yeah you have genocide a party the Republicans and then genocide wrapped in an lgbtq flag Democrats yeah you seen like the memes it's like the bombs of like the Republican bombs regular Jet and then it's like a jet bombing with like BLM and like trans flags and stuff it's it's the same either way there's not there's very little difference in the parties there a couple little things they fight over right and those issues are usually minor and they understand that those issues are political footballs that they can kick back and forth and used to get people in the voting booth it's like wake the hell up yeah is like how how far you're going to allow abortion um CU both parties AR allow it it's just to win there's a couple little things but there's not very big differences maybe a 1 or 2% tax rate corporations will get bigger tax rates either way right right exactly but we're going to pay either you know 37 or 38% the high highend taxes just like little tiny things is fighting over yeah they disagree on every culture War issue but then if you look at foreign policy or you know even economics corporate bailouts bailing out Banks pushing Pharmaceuticals yep yep I mean Obama promised to be this leftwing Progressive who was going to redistribute wealth and he bailed out the big Banks after they crashed the economy and was it Obama that bailed out the banks or yeah yeah in 2008 or 2009 maybe bailed them out 2008 they crashed but and now they're doing the same exact thing that they were so we see another crash yeah if they crash they know they'll get belled out if they crash them so right if we crash something we we lose it you know if we're buying like a bunch of houses and we crash it we lose those houses but the bank does that like oh we'll give you the money out you're too big right but we're not too big you know I could have 10 houses I'm trying to buy but I over leverage like an idiot and I [ __ ] up so I lose my 10 houses you know as I should but the bank doesn't make same mistake and like oh here's we'll just we'll ba that bill you out right and that's the thing like our system is so centralized and run from the top down or run by the government it's basically like we're living in socialism already it's just socialism for the richest most exploitative corrupt people in the country they plan the economy centrally you know it's hard it's hard to argue with that you know even you look at like the Bell outs during Co almost all went to the big businesses that didn't need it but my a lot of my friends with small businesses lost their businesses yes right which is centralized which is you know marks would argue that's how capitalism tends to work it centralizes power at the top until something is done through the working class fighting for change yeah I just worry with the communism though a lot of times the people at the very top take take everything or they can control everything that's that's the opposite downside to it like could you give me an example like I don't know the government a lot but suppose we didn't like like Stalin was most people poor and he would like have everything and like Ma I haven't studied the governments enough to be sure but but Stalin was pretty good actually he lived in like an apartment with the other politicians that okay maybe not him then I know a lot of the party members would be taking bribes and stuff then high up party members would be getting bribes and stuff there there were some like you could point to some examples like uh sucaro in Indonesia he was like a communist leader who was Notorious for like sleeping with prostitutes yeah you know and like that's stuff that needs to be I think if corruption is done and it's just like that you'd have to just be like death penalty or something if everyone's like taking bribes right You' have to just be Extreme Measures so be done because otherwise people are just you know taking bribes and that's kind of how the party in China's gotten like they're not they're very harsh on themselves you know like if they understand that they can't go back to what it used to be where there was all this corruption like people's trust in the party in China before the anti-corruption efforts was sinking below 50% and now it's up at 90 oh wow it's pretty popular now they're so hard yeah they people really like the what year did they do this that I believe it was 2008 When J ping launched those they he launched anti poverty alleviation efforts combined with anti-corruption efforts so basically we're going to root what you're talking about that corruption out of the party and try and get them more connected with the people yeah I need to go back and look at the history of China and Russia a little matter these things are complicated you know you deep Dives and you're get different perspectives so it's uh it takes so much time it sounds like you've done a lot of time the reading on them so it's because you got to read multiple books you can't just read one book and trust it right no you got to read both perspectives and and then the truth probably somewhere in the middle yeah exactly always so yeah anything you want to add in communism or anything before we wrap up um I don't think so it was a pleasure to do this I've been a big fan forever oh thank you you ever played the EA MMA video game a few times when I'm in yeah SE that when I first saw this video game like oh that's cool so people can find you on Twitter what's your uh handle um EDB liers Smith okay and then uh you're on Tik Tok too until you're banned again yeah I got an account warning right now see how long it lasts but Midwestern marks um and then I have Midwestern marks on Twitter too is my organization and then the ACP the American Communist cool well thanks for coming on And subscribe to the uh Channel I forget telling people to do that 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Eddie Liger Smith stopped by the Fight Back Podcast studio in Vegas to talk about Communism, Palestine, the 1st and 2nd Amendment, AIPAC, drug addiction, America First, the border, and much more. Edward Liger Smith is an American Political Scientist and specialist in anti-imperialist and socialist projects, especially Venezuela and China. He’s one of the founding members of the American Communist Party, where he leads the party's program in fitness and nutrition. Eddie was formerly a wrestling coach at the university of University of Wisconsin-Platteville and Loras College, and is currently the Head Coach of Dubuque Wrestling club. Support the podcast by purchasing merch at http://fightbackpodcast.com Save 10% by using promo code FIGHTBACK10 ThincZinc+ is a 7-in-1 organic supplement for cellular bio-optimization - increasing your energy, clarity, and mood. It includes high grade zinc, magnesium, vitamin c, black currant berries, MCT oil, and flavored with an organic fruit extract. Visit https://biogenesislaboratory.com/figh... to save 20%, or use the promo code FIGHTBACK. http://MerakiMedicinal.com/fightback is the best source for methylene blue, and purchases also help us fund our free speech platform. Save 15% with our link, or use code FIGHTBACK. Promo code FIGHTBACK saves 15%. 00:00 Intro 00:28 Founding the American Communist Party 01:00 Communism and the Culture War 01:44 Historical Context of Communism 04:04 Meritocracy in Communism 09:08 Healthcare, 1st Amendment, Corruption in Current System 19:28 Border Security, Refugees, RFK 33:20 Rabbi Shmuley and Michael Jackson 34:32 Second Amendment, The Middle East, Gaza 39:55 The Sinwar and Peaceful Protests 40:22 American Perspective on Resistance Movements 40:46 AIPAC Political Influence, Middle East Policy 43:02 Controversial Historical Discussion 45:33 Capitalism and Communism Ran By Same People? 52:33 Communism and Foreign Policy 54:05 Drug Addiction and Homelessness 01:00:33 Best Communist Country and Global Politics 01:10:42 Wrestling and Personal Development 01:17:57 Social Media and Wrap Up #podcast #politics #maga