Enough Doom and Gloom... What's fun right now???? Ft. Tom Lawrence - Talking Heads Ep.422

All right, YouTube thinks we're live. >> Are we? >> I think we might be live. >> Awesome. Fantastic. >> Maybe. Maybe. Hey, there we are. We got video. We got sound. Welcome to Talking Heads, everyone. Episode 422, your once week live show for the latest in beer and tech news. I'm Jeff. and Tom. I'm Tom. [laughter] >> I'm someone. I think >> I'm someone. >> There you go. I I was in the middle of like someone had asked me a question that it I'll get into this in a moment after we do this intro. >> Excellent. I I think therefore I'm Tom. There we go. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Welcome to the show everyone. Thank you all so much for joining us on this Wednesday night or in podcast form over on Spotify or wherever your favorite podcasts are found. If you've never seen the show before, we talk beer, we talk tech, we talk, you know, it's been really negative as of late, so we're we're going to try to bring some positivity this week. I don't know if we'll be able to, but that's the goal of this week. Yeah, >> we'll try. >> The uh [laughter] we we put some effort into doing this is Jeff Tas, he's like, "Find some uplifting news." I'm like, "Oh, man." It's like he slapped me. [laughter] >> It's like what? >> That realization just knocked him right across the face. And >> I I needed someone to tell me that though. Like I, you know, >> I I Me and my wife played some games and we completed the games and we were happy. There's some at least uplifting news we that we accomplished. >> Yeah. >> And I I think there's some joy you can easily find in the retro gaming world. Like so that's uh that's good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We'll we'll get into some some fun stuff later cuz I I I'm tired of all the negative news. I I read enough of it. I don't want to dwell on it for another two hours. Uh, so today's going to be a good show. I I hope. [laughter] Yes. Uh, we do drink alcohol on the show. And if you're drinking along with us, alcoholic or not, let us know in the chat and we'll give some early show shoutouts as we go along. Last but not least, if you'd like to take part in the super secret chat and the even more super secret afterparty, think about joining the Patreon. And that'll get you access to the exclusive Discord server where you can chat with myself, Tom, Rhett, uh, Cheese, Vince, Matt, all the hosts from Talking Heads, and join the awesome community that hangs out over there. See, even the Discord has a negative connotation to it right now. Everything we talk about is negative right now. I can't escape it, and it's driving me nuts. >> Actually, Discord's backing down from the age verication thing. They're they're rolling that back. So, that's uplifting, right? Uh, I have a hard time with their language and with the way it's being presented, though. Uh, let let let's let's talk Discord. Let me let me bring up a Discord article. Uh, Discord >> uh locks back age verification. Uh, I think that was the title that I saw. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> I didn't that's as far as I got a headline right now. I'm pulling up the chat so I can communicate with people as well. So, >> here we go. Um, Discord pushes back age verification rollout following backlash. They have dropped their partnership with uh who was the the it was the the subsidiary Palunteer, you know, Peter Theo, all of that. Um, Persona, >> Persona. Uh, yeah, that they were partnering with Persona to do age verifications on Discord and they have said, "We have stopped our partnership with Persona and we are delaying age verification rollouts." Yeah, >> they're not stopping. >> No, >> they're just letting it die down so they can do it later. >> Yeah, >> that's all this is. >> Point to y'all aren't mad. [laughter] >> It's still coming. So don't don't do this with the walks back on is sorry about bull crap that they're trying to pull right now. That's not what they're still doing it. [laughter] And I don't want to let the news articles let them get away with that either. Yeah. So [clears throat and snorts] the the reason I was uh easily distracted to the screen just to the other side of me Yeah. >> is uh I have a few friends they work in the um they work for municipalities. We'll say they work in government and they were they have some interesting things going on and me and my friend um who do OSENT work and cyber security work. >> They gave us the work and this may be something we end up publishing. That's why I'm kind of being a little bit vague about it, but it's fun because we got to use some of the OSENT tools and we got to show them directly how we use them. This is all open source stuff and we may do some content around it because this started as multibot that turned into openclaw and all the other stuff too. But we as cyber security people know how to use these tools in a more secure way. But we impressed the city people were like, "You tore that whole idea we had apart and found all the people involved and did the all the oint and we we shared with them how we did it with the multibot and how we've trained it to do all of that." And [laughter] it was just kind of funny. Um it it using it like all the hype aside from things like multibot, there's actually something fun about it of it doing the task that we wanted because the oent clue they could not figure out who owned several websites and the clue was really easy. Multibbot had no problem finding their same Google verification token that they had used for several sites and their HubSpot token and then found it on the site and then we found the person behind all the sites because they had done everything to domain obscure everything. They put everything on Cloudflare tunnels. So it was really hard to find who owned several things but now we know exactly who owns all of it. We turned it over to them because of what was going on and they're like oh that was fast. I think this whole thing took us almost 15 minutes. And they were like, they were thinking it's going to be a big deal. And they're like, you guys just dissected this person in 15 minutes. And you have his home address. I'm like, yes, we do. We have his whole history. We have his business history. We even figured out why he's doing what he's doing with probably an 80% accuracy of why he wants to do things the way he's doing. Um, and why he's obscuring it. It's kind of we found a whole pitch deck, we'll just say. So, it's going to be funny when I don't know how we're going to publish this yet, but um there's positive things you can do with all this moltbot and all this stuff. I hype aside, it's still kind of cool that we can task a chatbot with just going out and doing things. Like, I know how to do all this stuff manually. Yeah. >> But that would have taken me punching in websites and going through DNS records and a lot of time. This is was kind of fun. It just knows to go do it. It's like here's all the info you were looking for. Yeah, I' I've been tasked with similar things in the past through my organization and and you know, hey, we have this this person who, you know, uh they're applying for a job, but they gave like this sketchy vibe like and and you know, perfect job history, but none of their contacts are calling. Can you like dig just a little bit into this person? Like we kind of want them, but they're also a little like and and yeah, 20 minutes later, I come back with a file about this thick and I go, "No, don't don't get them." [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of nice because when used as a time saver human in a loop and you can make sense of it. Uh kind of a side tangent to this though who actually talked about and I don't I don't think this is an actual term but this is what we were joking about it in the group chat. Um SLM for small language model and oo look at that. Got some got a head on that thing. That was spicy. That scared me. [laughter] Um I I cracked the beer can and it just goes >> [laughter] [snorts] >> Uh but then didn't didn't escape the lip of the can. So >> there we go. Cool. >> That's prop proper beer etiquette there. >> Yes. Um so I'm going to try to do a proper nitro pour. We'll see if this this works. >> Yeah. >> But the idea of using smaller language models for very specific tasks so you can actually easily self-host them is also a cool concept. Um I think it's going to become popular. >> Yes. So, I don't know if it's it's showing up on camera all that well, but we got a really nice cascade coming down on the on the beer head there. Uh, so this is Sullivan's Brewing Company from Kilkenny, Ireland. Their black marble stout nitro batch brewed and packed in Ireland. So, this is a a direct the last three weeks I think I've been on. Someone in chat has said I'm trying the new Guinness non-alcoholic and I'm not a huge fan of Guinness, but I really do like, you know, Irish stouts and nitro pores and things like that. And I happen to be in the beer shop today and this one caught my eye and I went, you know, I I've been kind of craving a really good, you know, nitroish stout. So, I grabbed one. Uh, so that's what we have here. And it's gorgeous looking. Like that that tone that that head is like a meringue top. Like it's perfect. >> It does look good. I was craving the other day I went to the beer store and getting the oneoff variety beers cuz I don't I I don't want a second one. I've had a part of this one. I got the vanilla Java porter. I like it. I'm so I'm too much of an IPA person probably, but the this sounded so good and it is good. I'm happy with it. So, [laughter] I like sometimes something a little rich. A vanilla Java Porter by Atwater is quite a good beer. >> Nice. >> They have it on your side of the world, don't they? Atwater. Is that Or is that a Michigan one? >> I know. I've heard of Atwater. I don't know if I've seen them in store locally. I think I think someone might have sent me one or two of them. >> Okay. They're popular. They're popular here, but I think they're Michigan based. >> Okay. Yeah. somewhere you would think they'd see that. >> Yeah. [clears throat] Uh Novella Hub in chat uh has a brewing project. Raspberry pistachio cheesecake extra special delivery sour smooth pastry stout 9.4%. Out of Oaklair, Wisconsin. Uh we've got Reverend cracking a 2024 etmology from Fort George. You know what's hilarious? I almost grabbed that bottle today. Oh, that would have been that would have been good coincidence. >> Yeah. I I was in the bottle shop maybe two hours ago and uh and I was just walking through going, "Well, looks good." Kind kind of like, you know, you like, >> "Yeah, >> give me a onesie twzy beer that just just sounds right." And uh uh they had a matrica and they had a an animology and I'm like, >> "That one sounds really good." And I I'm like I flagged it in my brain. I'm like, "Maybe I'll come back and grab that one." I ended up not and I'll explain why later. Uh maybe with the second beer, but uh um yeah, I did see that today and I desperately wanted to grab it. Uh blend of English, American and red barley wine, aged 12 to 20 months in ris whiskey and rye barrels 13.1%. >> So Atwater is based in Detroit. Okay. >> As a Detroit person, I should know that. I I mean I know they have a location there, but I've also been to Atwater in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and they on the bottle, it's got deposits for a lot of different states. So that >> uh and as Rev says, uh we've gone from Crabs to Star Trek Voyager. Uh so I don't know if you saw, but there's a new rogike game out. >> Yeah, I've seen it. I have not played it, but I did see it. It looked interesting. >> Oh, it's good. It's really good. >> So they did Star Trek, right? They did. This is This is the best Star Trek game >> in a very long time. Uh, >> all right. Maybe that's what I'll play. >> Yeah. Uh, so basically, it drops you into the Star Trek Voyager story, but it's a choose your own adventure style story. Your your choices have consequences. Uh, you're slowly repairing Voyager after you've been thrown into the Delta Quadrant. Um, and uh, the first couple of decisions are kind of made for you. You have to blow up the caretaker array. There's no real way around it. Um, but uh, >> it starts out the same. >> Yeah. So, it starts out the same, but from there the decisions are yours and they will present you scenarios that you've seen in in episodes and but you choose your path through them. So, >> do we have to get Neelix? >> You don't have to get Neelix. >> All right. >> Uh, you could kill Neelix. Um, when when Neelix and Tuvac are involved in a transporter accident and you have Tuix, you can keep Tuix or you can kill Tuix or you can split them back up or you can do like a whole bunch of other different things. >> H and so it's it's what decision would you make in this episode? You kind of have that freedom here. >> Um, h >> yeah, >> you know, I I watched Star Trek Voyager. I I've watched all of them. I cannot remember the final season very well. Part of me, maybe I do have it, so I maybe I'll just rewatch it. But yeah, I was thinking that in my head when you brought it up, I'm like, uh, I've seen the ads for it because at first I'm like, are they rebooting Voyage or what? No. And then I seen it was the game. I'm like, oh, okay, cool. >> So, >> yeah, it's kind of a a rogike um if you've ever played Faster than Light, uh, FTL, that's that's a very similar game mechanic to this. Okay. >> Um, but it's it's really good. If if you are a Star Trek fan, this is so good. It is such a good game. >> I need to get lost in a game. I haven't done that in a while. You know, the last game I could truly Well, no, two games I really got lost in that I just >> played continuous over the winter was The Witcher. Um, which I never played that until like 2020. That was one of those co things like, hey, I'm locked in. >> Yeah, this Witcher thing looks fun. And then, you know, they had the whole expansion pack on sale and I played every side quest. I have some hours in that game. And, uh, the other one was um, Horizon Zero Dawn. Same thing. ran through all the side quests and all that. They're just a fun game. I played those like back toback. Yeah, they were good. >> Yeah. Uh I did uh Kingdom Come: Deliverance for a while. I I dove into that one pretty heavy uh uh right after COVID and then uh uh Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 came out. Uh, I've got about 40 hours into that, but I haven't I I lost I lost the desire to keep playing about midway through. Uh, because it it did this weird thing where >> um the first one you start out, you know, very poor peasant kid and then you grow into like a knight or a noble and and whatnot. And it it's really involved story, but you're going to larger and larger cities. There's more and more to do. The second one's really weird because you start off with the same status that you had from the first game. It It's a direct continuation, but then you get injured and you're nursed back to health, but you're nursed back to health in this very large city with lots of characters and lots to do. And then, no spoilers, there's an event that happens that now you're, you know, an outcast. you're you're on the run and you have to run to the outskirts towns and all of a sudden 40 hours into the game, you're in a town with like 12 people and nothing to do and all you can do is follow the main story. And I'm like, that's not how I was playing this game though. And and and I just lost all motivation. >> Uh >> yeah, that just kind of kills it. >> Yeah. Uh so lately I've been going back through some uh some some 90s classics. Uh, every December, uh, I usually play back through Final Fantasy, uh, 2 and Final Fantasy 3 for Super Nintendo. Um, I only did two this year. I still need to make my Final Fantasy 3 run. Um, but, uh, I did just get done playing uh, for the Nintendo 3DS, A Link Between Worlds. Uh, I I went back through that one and, uh, and dove through that. And now I'm doing Ocarina of Time uh, for the 3DS. M >> I'm doing Link's Awakening cuz my son had it >> for Switch, so it's remastered and I'm enjoying it. It's really good. There are things though I because I never played that one originally. Um that era I was too involved in my business, so I never had any of those gaming systems during that era. I was working way too many hours. And anyways, >> I there are things I don't like about the game. And it's because that era, they just made things overly complicated because that was how the game like kept you engaged, right? And it's like there's no hint for a couple of them. So, I feel like I'm cheating when I use the hint, but also it's it's so like weird esoteric [laughter] things like you the only way to get the master key is to there's three people you three different things you have to kill in in the chamber. >> They have to be killed in order, but there's no hint of the order, right? >> And you don't even know they have to be killed in order. I have the map. It tells me that that's where the key is, but I can't get the keys. I kill the people. I'm like, well, key ain't here. Leave and come back. >> I remember that dungeon. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. You remember that? What? Those are those tedious things that I'm running into the game that I'm not looking up everything. If I'm looking up some of those things, I'm like, ah, I don't love that. >> Yeah. >> But I feel like I'm cheating. I want to do it like, you know, solo that thing. But >> yeah, >> I'll admit defeat. And I just said, what order is it? [laughter] >> Yeah. Uh, so, uh, I've gotten to the point with most of the Zelda games, uh, most of the mainstream ones, uh, I can I can 100% them. I remember where all the the heart pieces are. I remember where all the collectibles are. Um, you know, >> obviously I don't remember all the Cororox for Breath of the Wild. Screw that noise. Like, I'm not I'm not collecting 300 Cororox. I'm sorry. That's never going to happen. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> that game isn't even rational 100%. >> Right. Um, but for like A Link Between Worlds, uh, which is essentially a sequel to Link to the Past for the SNES, um, there's there are a whole bunch of collectibles. There's pieces of heart. Uh, there's also, uh, Myamese or something like that. They're these little like crablike shell creatures that you have to find. There's a hund of them in the game. Uh, I 100%ed that with no hints. And so >> I was pretty happy with myself with that. Um, and and like I said, now I'm going back through Ocarina of Time. I'll probably do Majour's Mask since I've got it. Um, but uh that's actually not on the 3DS. That's on on this little guy. Uh, I I picked up an Ein Thor. >> Uh, and I am loving the crap out of this thing. So, if we want >> Does it like the nice OLED display? Is that >> It does. Yeah. It's It's dual OLEDs uh top and bottom. >> Yeah, dual. >> Yeah. [laughter] Uh, they're both touchscreen. Uh, and they they both work independent from one another. Um, >> yeah, >> but uh yeah, this is this has been amazing uh as as far as a a game console goes. Uh $320, so not terribly expensive. And I've seen some people do some really trippy things with this, like install the PC version of Steam, install Fallout 4, play Fallout 4 for PC natively on the top screen with the Android companion app for Fallout 4 for your pit boy on the bottom screen. >> Yeah, that is nice. [laughter] I I I seen and that's what I seen the review of people doing that. I'm like, "Oh, that is that is pretty cool." >> I you know, here's something back to uplifting. I I I think I sent you ETA Prime. Probably a lot of people have watched the videos. Um he talks about the one of the videos was released in the last couple days is about how good PC gaming on Android is with the latest iteration. That is awesome. Like it has become really good. >> Yeah. Uh I haven't gotten there yet, but that is one of my plans for the Thor. I am going to do a full video on this. So, probably sometime in March that'll be live, but I wanted to get a good amount of time in with it. So, I'm playing games. I'm I'm having fun with it. Um, >> market research. >> Exactly. [laughter] Um, that's the cool thing about my business is any beer that I buy is technically market research since I review beer for a living. So, >> does your accountant let you write it off? >> It does. He does. Yes. >> All right. There you go. Uh, so within reason, uh, reason, >> you know, if if I go to my favorite local brewery and I order the same beer 300 times in a year, that's not market research. That's just you going to the pub. But if I try a new beer that they have, that is market research because that is expanding my my my pallet. That is directly uh assisting with my job. Um, so yeah, when I go to pubs, I just have to order something different. [laughter] >> Well, sacrifices must be made. My favorite thing every time. [laughter] >> Couple of super chats rolling in. Green uh chimes in with $5. So, Canada lost uh the Olympic hockey tournament. Not here to gloat. Genuine question. Are y'all okay up there? [laughter] >> It is a weird world. That is That is not something I expected to happen. I'm just saying. No, I did not expect the US to clean up in figure skating and hockey both. I'm That's just That hasn't happened for a long time. There there's a joke in here about ice somewhere. [laughter] We'll just leave it at that. [laughter] Oh man. [laughter] I don't know. And Vince, thank you. events chimes in with $20. HTTP422 unprocessable uh unprocessable content. No bad stuff today. Only good stuff. Only awesome. Speaking of which, uh what time is it? [sighs] I don't know. What time is it? I >> in my time zone or yours? I don't know. >> Yeah. I ap I apologize if that's a reference. I'm not getting that reference. Although, here's some good news. Here's some really good news. Okay. Uh, so I've talked uh it is beer time. I I have talked about uh this a couple of times on the channel before. Uh some are aware, some are not. Um my my youngest son, uh he is four years old. Uh we we'll call him X. Uh he is autistic and non-verbal. Uh he is what they consider at this point a level three uh level three autism. Uh very very uh strong impact. Um and he doesn't speak at all. uh he can sometimes communicate with the assistance of an AAC device. Uh so like a button board with a whole bunch of of words on it. Um you ask what time it is and that that's funny because this week um he did something that uh just made me smile and uh he he knows how to ask for food. You know, I'm I'm hungry. I'm thirsty. I'm whatever else. I want crackers. I want this. Um uh he discovered a button on the AAC that said, "What time is it?" And the reason that's funny is he watches a show called Bubble Guppies all the time. It's one of his favorite shows. And midway through every show, they do this little song break. And the song is, "What time is it? It's time for lunch. What time is it? It's time for lunch." And and all the all of them dance around. and their song going on and everything. Um, well, he walked up to my wife and goes, "What time is it? What time is it?" And and she goes, "I don't know. What time is it? Is it 10:00? Is it almost time for school?" And he goes, "What time is it?" And she goes, "Oh, it's time for lunch." And he smiled and he just he goes, "You got my reference." Like kind of thing like like he connected on on something that he was trying to connect with. And he was so freaking excited. >> That made my week. It was so cool. >> [laughter] >> That is great. People angry at NTP servers. That's, you know, that's the protocol that doesn't make people mad usually. That's >> Yeah. >> Ah, no. Uh, okay. Now I understand his reference. Uh, so Vince is working on an at-home self-hosted NTP server with a GF with a GPS dongle hanging out the back of your server rack. And so he was trying to write a project that you can host your own time server but no real proprietary hardware or anything like that. >> Um and uh he was tracking variance on his time server and I forget what what happened but at one point his NTP was was off by you know multiple hundreds of milliseconds at a time and then he like dialed it down. Vince, do you do you care chiming in with with what you were working on or or what? I remember seeing the graph and I remember you being pissed off about something. But uh if if it's too much to type in YouTube chat, just hit me on the uh on on Discord uh and I'll I'll repeat it. But uh yeah, I he was pissed off at NTP for something this week. [laughter] [clears throat] >> I I've had an inordinate number of people ask me about setting that up. wanted me to do a video on it, which I think is strange. I mean, I think it's a cool project. It's just out of my usual scope of what I do. And I'm like, I don't really have the materials laying around to do it, and I don't really have a need for it, right? >> People like, "But Tom, you really need it for your servers to be synced better." And I'm like, I I I don't need that level. I mean, there are things that need that level of precision. Tom isn't one of them, >> right? So, that's [laughter] >> You and I have a very similar philosophy home labing. Uh like, you know, we'll deploy things professionally. You know, we'll have clients ask us about certain things. Oh, yeah. I could throw that together for you. And it's like, oh, this might make a good video. Let me let me publish a video on this. >> I have things in my home that I use all the time. Obviously, I use like a Plex server and and file sharing and and trunass and ZFS and Proxmox and all this other stuff. >> I'm really good at it and I like sharing that because I use it every day and because I I feel I'm authority. I'm an authority figure on that particular thing. I don't like publishing things that I learned about yesterday. [laughter] >> Yeah, exactly. >> Because I don't know the whole story. I I want to use it for a significantly long time. Like I said, I'm reviewing the Iron Thor right now. I'm going to have this device for at least 6 weeks before I publish a video on it because I want to know about it. >> Yeah. >> And I've got a lot of catching up to do [clears throat] when it comes to gaming on Android. >> There's a lot of little nuance to it. I I didn't even know before watching that video by ETA Prime it was as capable as it was. Like I knew it existed, but watching him go through and play the games like there's a Steam thing that runs the PC version of Steam through an Android through an emulator and it runs fast and it runs on these devices that that actually became really interesting that those layers not only exist, but they're fast. Cuz it brings me to another question that I can't really make any sense of after watching that video. Do you know what I thought of next was like >> what's that? Why does Windows on Snapdragon suck so bad? Like Steam can figure out how to [laughter] run x86 on there fast and a slower processor than Microsoft has any Snapdragon systems. And no one can buy Septic says Microsoft can't even make their own software work properly on it. >> Right. >> Like and and here's like the gaming companies like Yeah, watch us do something far more complicated than Excel and and do it well. >> Yeah. [snorts] uh you know the um kind of on the topic of I didn't do videos until I really dove into and use it. I really dove into Proxbox to learn a lot of ins and outs, things I love, things I hate. But >> the rules and permissions, took the time to learn them, took the time to learn how to set them up properly. Uh did a video on setting up PBS server. I'm a little disappointed in folks because my friend, we were cyber security friends were talking about this because he's like, "Well, that video should be killer. It should do a lot." No, it did not get a lot of views. And the reason why is because people solve problems in Linux the same way most of the time. They stop when it works, not when it's secure. And if Schmod 777 or run it as root doesn't fix it, they it it doesn't need to be fixed. And once those one of those two solutions has come upon of open up all the permissions or run it as root, that's where people stop a lot. And I feel that's where the Proxmox community is. >> First off, Tom, how dare you call me out like that? Okay. [laughter] Yeah, as someone pointed out here, uh, Windows doesn't exactly run well on x86 either. So touche, you're right. [laughter] So it I guess it's probably not the op the the the chip that it's on that's a problem. >> Yeah, [laughter] because LA last time, two weeks ago, we were talking about the fact that they can't get vulnerabilities out of Notepad. So you're right. It's probably um not an [laughter] issue. >> Exactly. Not the issue anyways. Oh man, >> funny. But the uh Yeah, setting up Prox backup server with the proper permissions is extra steps. Run it as root is the fast path to this. I did stump window though. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah, that I've not been able to do that before. >> Yeah, that's always a feather in your cap. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I did the video on how to do Proxmox backup server and I found a bug that I got I need to go post on Proxmox forums. even as Wendell doesn't think that's a bad idea either after he looked at it. >> Um because there is not a way to set permissions of a container inside the UI for truness. You set the permissions from the command line because container permissions are a mathematical equation. They start at a high number and that high number is the same as user zero in the host operating system. So what is root is zero on you know your is the first one and then root is that high number and then backup is 34 numbers higher than that. So you can actually do a calculation to figure out where all the user mappings are. They're the same IDs um but they start at a higher number. So because that higher number doesn't exist in dash. You can't go to the um web UI and type in like hey this user ID as a number owns this file system. So you do it from the command line. Pretty straightforward once you understand it. You're like you're setting all permissions to be owned by this ID. And that's what you do when you set up Proxbox backup server in a container on True Nest. It works brilliantly. It has all the right permissions. It gives no errors when you set it up. If you try to reconnect it, it gives you a permissions error. And Wendell went through a few things. He's like, "No, it's it's just this." I'm like, "No, no, I tried all of those." And I I I sent him a list of the commands I ran. He goes, "Oo." And I even I even ran these commands and it's really weird. It won't let you reattach to existing data because >> I have ran into that. >> But but if you go in and manually edit etsy/proxmox data config whatever that file exact file you can just punch it in and add it to the config and it reads it fine. So you can reattach it via the command line no problem but it won't validate the permissions. And I thought okay this is a bug in Proxmbox. So I mounted it outside the container like inside of itself in in um in the container instead of using a mount path. It mounts fine. >> So the problem is definitely not Proxmox. It's some permission issue with ZFS mounted data sets in Lexe or in this case Incas containers but which are really containers and that nuance we can argue about later. But [laughter] the um it's just a weird bug and even Windows like it shouldn't do that. And I was like I agree with you all day. [laughter] >> That's funny. I'm happy that Wendle looked at my command structure and says, "You seem to have done this right." >> Yes. >> But um yeah, I got to post it there. It's the only puzzle I've had with it. I I don't know. I I don't think Proxbox will tell me what the problem is because like if I go to their community, maybe someone have a suggestion. It's just a weird problem. The fact that you can manually edit back and it works perfectly fine with no errors tells me there's not really an error in the permissions. It'll all of it mounts fine. Yeah. So weird. And why does it create an empty one? It just can't have data in. If you delete all the data out, yeah, you can mount it again. It won't give an error, but there's data in it. >> It doesn't work. there's got to be some latent file or configuration or something that's just left over somewhere as as a as a placeholder because I've ran into this with uh uh not with mounting uh trunass onto a container. But I have ran into this where I've removed my truness server as a mount point as a as a file store uh from Proxmox as a whole. And if you try to add it under the same name, it gives you the same it gives you like a a 500 permission error. Um, and uh and you have to go in and manually root out that that connection. Um I I see something in the comments. I I will say yes. Let's just put uh Yaka and Wendell together on a video stream. I just want to [laughter] watch him fight about Seth. I don't know who's going to win. I don't know who's right. I just want to watch him do it. >> Yeah. because you're and I think Yak's right. Wendell definitely got stumped on some of the Seth stuff where I think he was hitting the edge of what he knows about it. Um, you know, it's not a take at Wendle at all. It's definitely some interesting. He also found some really interesting problems with firmware with those drives. At least that's my understanding from his video on that topic. I don't know if you watched it. He had some specific bugs he found with the firmware with those drives was related to Seph. Kind of interesting, right? Um but um I I I do not declare myself a se expert. I like watching experts argue though, so [laughter] >> Yakos are our resonant, but I I might learn something. >> Yeah. >> Uh [snorts] Cosmor chimes in with a $2 super chat. Android on the X79 blades win. Um that's a great question. Um, probably never simply because Android on x86 never really took off and I don't think there's been too many developments on it since then. Uh, but if you ask me like if I were to get Android on an ARM device in my rack at some point or or whatever else, like look, I've I've been playing with a lot of ARM devices lately. I I just did a review of the the Dell GB10, which speaking of having things run on Linux on ARM faster than they do natively on Windows on x86, that was a great example. The games run freaking flawlessly on that thing. Um, so yeah, >> I don't know if this is going to be a good year for Microsoft. Like >> I'm fine if they burned in hell. like like like they they came in floundering at towards the end of the year. They've got exploits for every application. They're simply vibe coding new features that no one wants. Um they're burning money developing C-Pilot. Uh C-Pilot is only capturing 1% of the global LLM market anyway. So tens of billions of dollars down the drain. uh brain trust evacuation over there with with a whole bunch of firings and layoffs and reassignments and things like that, >> including in their security area. >> Including in their security, including >> they reshuffled some people. >> Yeah. So, yeah, like like there's some things behind the scenes that I've heard that that aren't great. There's some things development wise that I've heard that aren't great. They're not doing what consumers want. They just put an AI bro gal in charge of Xbox who's not even a gamer. Um >> Oh, I've seen that, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, and uh, man, it's just one misstep after another after another. Let's let's ride or die with AI. Well, guess what? Eventually that means die cuz I don't know how much longer you're going to ride. Well, and we're seeing such a good rise in like even dedicated Linux operating systems to run games. We're seeing the fact that even you despite some goofiness I've run into running Pop OS with Whan, I'm able to get Steam working pretty good on it. I think it worked better under standard Abuntu, but whatever. We're splitting hairs at some point, right? The fact that there's more than one operating system that you can >> run on there was Basite. And what's the other one? Um >> uh yeah, Basite's the big one for for gamers. Um >> there's one other one I remember people mentioning as well. It's like I think it's a fork of Basite because welcome to the Linux community where everything gets forked. But either way, there's multiple places we can play games and >> rather than forking it, why don't you just submit code to Basite and and improve that one. >> But what happens is, as I've learned, the developers say no. And that's how we end up with like the Pop OS people completely rewriting the Cosmic Desktop because they couldn't get along with the people at Gnome because they wouldn't accept the request. Right. But I also learned a little bit Jay um followed that pretty closely from learn TV and would explain some of that. What I found really interesting was [laughter] what I would when I my first impressions when I was running the older before they did the cosmic desktop the popos stuff I was like this is like a more polished version of Gnome and Jason's like you're actually kind of wrong about that Tom these are all the features in Gnome that are built in but turned off by default and all they're doing is enabling all of them there. the code exists. They didn't add this code to turn these features like simple ones like do not disturb for notifications. It's like I thought that was a enhancement. They go no they're just turning it on. You can actually go in and install it, but the gnome people are like no that stays off unless someone requests it. And there was like weird arguments back and forth. He would point me to the the spots where these would be debated. And I was just like and I may be getting some of the nuance details wrong, but basically it was this constant like fighting. That's why the people at Pop OS were like decided screw you guys. It's too hard to fight with you [laughter] and get code submitted. So, we're rewriting the desktop. >> Yeah. But the problem is it it just adds the fragmentation at that point. And like Well, we want when you're within seven pixels on your cursor of an icon for it to highlight, not within 12. and it and and we're going to go make our own desktop environment with blackjack and hookers and it's like can we just decide that seven is okay or 12 is okay and and maybe you can't tweak things down to the nth degree but if you put development time where it belongs and and you actually collaborate on things instead of going screw you I want my icon to highlight at 12 pixels and and you're going to go and make your completely own fork of Linux your own desktop environment that is no longer never compatible with anything else that anyone makes. >> Yeah, maybe that's part of the problem. Maybe we should just get along a little bit better, maybe compromise a little bit more. [laughter] And I I see people talking we had Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 was awful. So now they forked it to Mate from Gnome 2, right? And then yeah, now we have And unfortunately, a lot of times what people talk about Linux distros, all you're really talking about is the nuance between which desktop environment you love or hate, right? >> Because it's all the same kernel. Yeah, >> that that was a I did my video on running containers and that was a big part of the nuance. I I tried to use the most proper words pro possible to say that you know anytime you run containers whether they're Docker or Lexe containers that they share the kernel and the kernel is Linux. Even though you're installing Alpine Linux or Debian Linux, it's all Linux. It's the user land that's different and that's where the war is always at is the user land. At least we've agreed on the kernel, right? It's It's all over the place after the kernel. >> Well, no, we haven't agreed on a kernel. We have Lionus at the top going, "This is the kernel." >> Yeah. [laughter] Yes, pretty much. >> Um anyway, uh today's episode does have a sponsor and of course that is Meter. Uh, while I enjoy tinkering with my home lab and all of my networking equipment, if you run a business, you've probably got better things to do with your time. That's where Meter comes in. Meter delivers an all-in-one networking stack that bundles everything you need into a single package, including high-speed wired and wireless networking, power delivery, firewall, and routing, and even cellular, all in a single integrated solution that's built for performance and scalability. Meter handles everything from designing a custom network for your business and even negotiating with your local ISPs to get you the best rates on internet connectivity. All of that shows up in a single cloud-based dashboard, giving you clear visibility into every layer of your network. 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I I once I learned jails and things like that and FreeBSD stuff, which is uh containerization before Linux heard of containerization [laughter] and so FreeBSD was always good at doing it first. Linux always did it better. [laughter] >> Yeah. Uh Jason says, "I'm gonna fork meter and call it yard." That would be a great competitor. [laughter] Just throwing it out there. I like this. [sighs and gasps] Oh man. [laughter] Uh fun times. Fun times. >> Yep. So, what else we have that's that's not negative or or inflammatory? because uh if I keep talking about Microsoft, I'm going to have to turn on that rant alert button. [laughter] H let's see. Um I'm going to say, and I I mentioned this I think just before the show, I there is a good level of positivity I think in the home lab community where people are more and more into helping each other out. uh it it's you know because of the world around us and certain pressures it is becoming an us versus them but I think that also drives community because I I love that more people are going hey I really got to think more about self-hosting this I want to think more about data sovereignty and understanding my data and you know there's people like Lewis Rosen really beating the drum out there going hey you know be aware of this and Corey Dr. given us the word and should so we have a word to encompass what these big companies are doing. Uh so I I think building a better and new and open internet feels more and more like a possibility as we get more people like the audience that's watching us on board with it. I I think that's kind of a overall positive vibe. I feel I I think that the there wasn't really even eight years ago a much self-hosting on YouTube content like you you there wasn't much around that. If you search for self-hosted YouTubers or doing that, it wasn't much of a concept when I started in 2017. I was doing a lot of firewall videos and I was talking about what could be or what was self-hosted things. >> Yeah. But now that we have a terminology around it for home labbing and self-hosting and data sovereignty and stop the initification, I think it's cool because as we developed the terminology, we developed the community around it. Uh, and people, you know, going, hey, I can do this at home. And then combine that with the mini PCs because my early days and yours as well, well, your current days as well, there's a whole lot of rack mounted servers. But for a lot of people that don't have a spot to put these, being able to get these mini PCs that are quiet, affordable, well re within reason, uh, and low wattage are pretty awesome. And I think that's a another big boom for the community. I actually had someone reach out uh another advertiser sponsor slash potential um they want to send me it's another company came coming up with a cool um I think it has two or four NVMEs four uh full-size drives and a spot for a fullsize graphics card >> um so it's a NAS that is able to do the processing and all that and it's got I think a Ryzen processor in it >> okay >> and uh expandable memory and I'm like this is actually not a bad design relatively low priced and the good and bad of course I I don't know how I feel about this like the mini PCs obviously are not a form factor they're not like mini ITX they are their own proprietary if you get a beat link or any of these and they did that kind of thing where I think it's like an Ace magic like one of those offbrand be links >> but uh so I don't know good or bad on that because >> I I like the compact design you get but there's a lack of serviceability outside of Cool. They gave me some slots for MVMES and it gave me a couple slots for memory. >> Yeah. >> But then again, do we really how much serviceability do we have? Once you buy the processor >> for the most part with a miniITX board and build it, do you ever swap that processor out? How often does that happen? >> You know, it it's rare. I was actually looking at my old mini NAS which is sitting on a table next to me. My true it was the free NAS one. The first one they came out with that has an Atom processor. Uh-huh. >> I don't think there's another processor that fits in this board. Even if even though I think this early model one >> No, the atoms aren't socketed. That's that's >> the >> But even if it it is a mini IITX, what's the likelihood of me trying to buy another miniITX for it? It just >> Right. >> Yeah. I kind of just retired the system and uh I'm bringing it back to life for a backup of Trass video. Uh I want to show that you can run Trass on a extremely lowowered system and it happens to be a low powered system I have. So I'm going to show what you can or can't do on it. You can slowly back things up is basically [clears throat] how that story goes. [laughter] But you can back it up. That's the point. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No. Uh I think there's a lot of market potential out there right now with things like mini PCs, but >> and 10-in racks. >> 10 10inch racks. Yeah, 10-in racks are are really huge right now. I haven't dove into one yet, but uh I've got some evil ideas in the back of my head about like trying to reach out to some of the mini PC partners that that I've worked with over the years and going like, man, could we come up with a modular system where someone could buy a back plane or or an IO adapter or something like that, design it for a 10-in rack where we could slot in compute nodes as we need them, and we could buy, you you know, everything from a a socketed Ryzen or Intel chip down to, you know, embedded processors or mobile chips or whatever else. So, basically like a universal carrier uh of a compute node that would plug in and have access to storage, you know, obviously very similar to like the super micro microcloud that I'm obviously in love with, but let's bring it into the modern age, but also price it at a point that makes sense for a lot of this this kind of thing. Um, you know, I I think people are willing to pay, you know, mini PC prices, $3, four $500 for a mini PC if it's got, you know, a a Ryzen 8945HX, you know, a 16 core Ryzen or something like that. Let's design a back plane that it can plug into that it gets all of its storage and and everything else from and make it 10-inch rack compatible >> and boom. >> And I think Beink kind of comes close because they have that dock that gives you the PCIe. Yeah. Um, and I think that's kind of cool, too. And if more of the companies offered that, Zema kind of did a thing, you know, where they they had a slot to plug into that give you a little bit more expandability. >> I'm I'm literally sitting on on Hey, look, Zema's >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> I had them on my desk today. >> Yeah. I I know. I have one of those. And as I'm debating if I'm going to do the True Nast backup video with the Zema or if I'm going to do it with the um Freen. I like the freeness, but I think the ZMA I want to show people. This is a very approachable, hackable project where you can build it out of spare parts. I just happen to have this laying here. So, it shows the I can survive on the two core Atom, but then again, the Zema I think is actually a little bit faster than that and probably a little bit more power efficient. It is newer. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. The the original Atom uh I think was like a C2500 or something like that. Uh but uh yeah the the Zeas are using uh four corelerons. Uh so and significantly newer. >> I I do like if we say ace magic 3x times on wise camera will ch the neck will appear. [laughter] Uh yeah, >> do you know the whole controversy I and don't get me wrong, I'm not playing it light that they were shipping malware or whatever were shipping with it, but I to the savings I think it's because they're inept, not malicious. [laughter] So just >> I I got that as well. Um >> uh I've met with them a couple of times. Uh mo most recently uh last CES, so a year ago, 2025. Um, and uh, really nice people, you know, o over there. Um, this was the issue that I gather is they they got they likely got a a deal to like, hey, we'll give you $2 for every PC that you install our software on, which is not all that uncommon in in a lot of lot of realms. Um, but that software just happened to be very malicious. Uh, so sometimes these things happen. I've talked about, you know, uh, uh, supply line infiltration. I I've experienced a couple of those a couple of times. Uh uh my my favorite example is we had a lineup of LG Blu-ray drives, Blu-ray ROM drives, um or DVD writers or something like that that they were infected from the the the firmware was infected at the factory with some malware that would automatically install an ad delivery network to a Windows XP machine. So, we got this batch of like 300 machines and a week later all of them had this malware on them and we went, "What the crap?" And we we went through and we uninstall it and it it showed back up. And so we we took them all offline and and started tearing them apart and go, "What the hell is out?" We we did a a a complete wipe on one of them. Uh, and it turns out the Blu-ray drive or the the the the disc drive at random intervals was mounting a USB thumb drive, so a an HID or a, you know, a USB drive and auto running a malicious package to install this software on the PCs. Um, it required a complete firmware wipe of the of the DVD writers uh to to eliminate this problem. And we had to work with the the OEM that we bought all these uh they were like white box systems. Uh we but we had to work with the OEM to get a hold of LG to get a new firmware for them to uh to get them all applied. So, >> you know, I can remember this came up as I follow some of the vintage computing subreddits. I like to see the post of the day, you know, show me show me something from my uh youth. It make me feel young again back in back when it was uh setting dip switches on the IRQ5 and 3F8 and they had Sound Blaster um on there, but it brought up right away what I remember. The Sound Blaster came with three floppy disc and they shipped a ton of them with a virus on the floppy disc. That was [laughter] and we had screwed up so many computers that way. Once again, it was like, how did this happen? And we're Yeah, at the time I think F-Pro was what we were using. It was that Finnish AV software. Um, man, it's it's cool command line DOSs tool. Uh, we used to scan. We're like, "Oh no, the Sound Blaster." We had to contact Sound Blaster. We actually got through to them and they um they had used a third party supplier that was infected to mass make the floppies and they they they found it and confirmed it. It was like a it was it was all phone calls back then. It was like >> Yeah, >> you dialed up to get your email to work. >> Well, but when we discovered this I think somewhere 2010 2011 so very late generation Windows XP. Uh >> yeah, this is like 99 or 98. Yeah, we we were still pushing out XP to a lot of machines. Uh starting to get Windows 7 installed. We skipped Vista entirely, thank God, [laughter] but yeah, it happens. >> Two Yep. 228 IQ5 DMA3. >> Yep. Uh Jay sends in $20. Thank you so much, Jay. Much appreciated as always. Uh Data Sovereignty feel good. Rata and Co. which makes e- in tablets I use just released a self-hosted private cloud package locked down data. Nope. You can do whatever you want with it. Uh sad that being proumer is surprising, >> right? >> Yeah. But we celebrate it when it is. >> Exactly. >> I I um people give me crap about liking a lot of the unified stuff and I'm like please show me the next company making this many products that you can self-host the controller, self-host the application and everything else. I mean it is >> it's it's rare. There's like maker tick but they don't have the same breadth of like control plane. They make a good product but that's it. We we've we've now run out the list. We've talked about Unifi. We talked about Mikerick and maybe someone will mention Grandstream but their whole reseller program is confusing and their website looks like someone who doesn't know how to make a website. >> Yeah. >> All the all the photos on it are really low res. So trying to figure things out. I'm like, did they know you can make full high-res photos available on your website and it doesn't even cost much? [laughter] Clearly, no one told them. I haven't looked a while. Maybe they fixed it. Anytime I see websites that are just absolutely lacking in depth for a company, like, why aren't you putting information on your website? I've gone through the effort of looking at it. Please give me some data. Uh Jay, which uh are you using the the Supernote tablet or which which one are you using? I know I've seen the tablet that he has. It's really cool. It's uh it's an e- in display, but it's a digital tablet that is purely handwriting driven. And uh so if if you're the kind of person who keeps notes by hand, uh they're they're pretty awesome. So yeah, which model do you have? I'm I'm curious and I'll I'll share it out. Uh, Green chimes in with another $5. Thank you very much. Uh, recently used Zemo OS on an old Haswell i5 ITX machine with eight SATA drives. It really is usable. Cool. Yeah, I I liked Zemo OS when I when I glanced at it um and and did a a brief review with it. Um, it they didn't have ZFS at the time. I don't know if they still do, but uh if your your goal is like a J-bod with like a Butterfest or something like that, it it's very very usable. Um that and I really liked the interface and the app library that they had. It was super intuitive, very easy to use. >> They did a nice job on that. Like it looked very polished. I think the only problem I have found with it at the time I tested, it's been a while and it's probably matured then. Yeah, the >> raid setup was quirky. A lot of it still had to you had to go to the command line to get it working properly. And they didn't have any clear defining ways. They were pulling in Docker apps, but there wasn't a clear defining way of how to back up the data. I mean, I love the automated setup, but I'm like, where's my data? How can I know that if this thing fails, I can get my data back? Yeah. >> Um, >> where's the storing? Is it on the RAID? Is it is it even redundant at that point? Yeah. They weren't really clear with they they got Docker working and and it downloaded and it ran, but then half the apps didn't have dedicated interfaces and and then Yeah, the RAID setup was a little funky. >> Yeah. Did you ever do this, Jeff? Did you ever review Zema with a Zema, though? Because that would be [laughter] like >> I considered it. Uh >> I mean, it just would I >> I have had a Zema on the show before. >> Okay. >> Um I I will confirm that. Um, I did not buy a Zema to to review the Zema board. Um, >> but uh >> gosh, this had to have been 2018. Uh, because it was John and I on the show. Uh, I remember we he brought over Azima. Um, >> that was a weird show cuz I think that was the same show that someone dropped like a $200 super chat and I ended up doing a shot of whatever he chose out of my liquor cabinet. Uh, which was like peppermint schnops and tequila or something like that. Like it was Look, I was hard up for money at the time. Okay. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I won't drink anything but $200 is $200. >> Yeah, [laughter] exactly. Um, pretty sure it was peppermint schnaps and tequila. Um, yeah, it was Joe >> Joe Culvin. Culvin Culver, Culvin, something like that. We we we named the shot. Um, >> money for shots. I remember those days. >> Yeah. [laughter] [snorts] H my price is higher now. That's all I'm saying. [laughter] We've we've matured. There's uh cost of living has gone up. >> Yeah. The economy the economy is different. You know how much memory costs these days, >> right? [laughter] >> Hard drives. You know, it's a shock. The only thing hasn't gone up is the price of liquor. [laughter] >> Joe Culvin. I was right. Yeah, it was. It was Joe Culvin. [laughter] >> Thank you, Skull. >> And Yakto says, "I mean Picklebeer." Yeah, I I have done things on this channel. I was. Yeah, because they got those pickleback shots, too. You can get and those are >> Yeah, I refuse to do the pickleback shots. Uh, my brother-in-law is a huge fan of Jameson with a pickleback. Um, and I just can't. [laughter] But, uh, no. Uh, Yakto famously made me drink a pickle beer in exchange for an RTX A5000. So, I drank a pickle beer. >> Yeah. Got to do what you got to do. >> Mhm. H I yeah my my wife introduces a lot of people to Malort. [laughter] So that's her thing. Um she she uh brings a bunch of the little Malort things and then it's a she goes to a lot of tech conferences and apparently the tech community has not been infected yet with Malort. [laughter] There's a lot of people just don't know what it is. >> I'm very aware of it. I've never had it. I have smelled it. Um I >> Yeah. Yeah. I I think my favorite description is gasoline, used band-aids, and hairspray mixed in a shot. >> Yeah. >> But other people seem to be unaffected by it, which puzzles me. So, there's two reactions. Yeah. There are the extreme and the I don't think this tastes like anything. I don't know what is with people's taste receptors that they go, "Yeah, that wasn't good, but I don't care. You know, it wasn't that bad." And then there's the people who the the first taste of it hits their tongue and they're like this this is bad and a few minutes later like it's still there. Yeah. >> I'm like yeah it doesn't kind of it doesn't really go away. Yeah. It's there's a lot of regret when you have Malort. >> Yeah. No, I it is something that I don't want to do like just like I I don't want to do Duran Fruit in in in Taiwan. Uh because like Yeah, >> I have done it. >> I wasn't in Taiwan though. >> Yeah. Um we we >> someone brought it to work. >> Yeah. We we went to a night market. Um and so I had every opportunity to do the the fried octopus and and and and everything else that goes along with a with a Taiwanese night market. Um and uh I I don't think it's something that I want to do now. I I tried a lot of food when I was there. We tried so many different things. In fact, there was a full video that we got shot on the on the channel that I never ended up publishing of me, Jordan, and Rhett sitting in a hotel room trying about 30 different snacks uh that we had bought in Taiwan. Uh I I'm not one to yuck anyone's yum. Okay. >> But the Asian snacks get weird. There's a lot of fish snacks, >> right? I I'm not one to yuck anyone's yum. But >> yeah, >> at the same time, I'm going to call it what it is. The people who like Malort, there's something wrong with your head. >> Um, uh, it's not an acquired taste, it's a bad taste. Uh, and looking at a lot of the the the Asian snacks, uh, we tried scalloped Lays potato chips. That was awful. >> Mhm. Um, that was near vomit for for two out of three of us. Uh, and in fact, I I know Jordan is is still reeling from that one. >> Just the thought of it. >> Just Yeah, just the thought of it. Um, they were Lays potato chips. They were cut, fried, everything else. They looked like Lays. They did not taste like Lays. [snorts] [laughter] Uh, yeah. I'm uh when I travel, I generally avoid too weird of foods. So, yeah, >> I I like taking in culture uh and and and trying different foods and and you know, when I go traveling, I look for local spots, you know? I I don't want to try, you know, I'm not going to go to Applebee's if I go to San Francisco. I want to try what's a local place down in the Mission. Like, that's what I want to do. >> Um but, uh at the same time, I also have lines that I just don't want to cross. Duran's on there. Meort's on there. Like, I don't need those. I know I'm not going to like them. It's not going to be enjoyable. I'm not going to look back and reminisce about this experience. No, it's going to be crap and I don't want to do it. [snorts] Yeah. We had the uh they were packaged during fruit things that were brought into work. So, you'd open a package and it smelled like the the I can't describe that smell. It smells like dur fruit. It's not pleasant, but it did taste good. I ate a few of them. I actually was not I was shocked that it tastes as good as it did. >> Yeah, >> it does not smell like something that would Yeah. Uh, dried squid, you know, cooked squid is fine. >> I've done I don't mind eating squid. I don't mind eating all the food. Dried doesn't seem to have as much flavor to me. It's a little crunchy. I tried it. I would not go out of my way for it. Uh, scallops is in the potato. No, scallops is in the muscle. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, those things. Yes. >> Yeah, >> scalloped potatoes are good. >> Scallop potatoes are delicious. >> Scalloped muscles. >> I not as a chip. It It's the crunchy stuff. And they're all um most of the Asian stuff test has a ton of MSG in it, too. So, that's like the That's the primary ingredient. We don't We don't know how to make this taste good on its own. So, we're just going to add a bunch of MSG so you like it. >> Yeah. Uh, Ian's in chat. Hello, Ian. Have you tried Finnish spunk? I have not tried Finnish spunk. Um, >> Google search history there. I don't know what [laughter] that is. >> New idea for a Who's Line round at Computex involving stinky tofu. See, I I've got lines, man. I've got line food is not something that I like to mess with. Like I will try local cuisine if it looks like it will be appealing to me. If I know for a fact I'm going to vomit. You're not getting close to me with it. It's not going to happen. I tried all of the snack foods because I went a potato chip is just a potato chip. I can muscle my way through a potato chip. Pun intended. Uh [laughter] but uh >> yeah, >> scallops. Scallops are good. Like I love seafood. I I love clams, oysters, scallops, muscles, all kinds of seafood. Um uh uh in fact uh we're going to GTC here in a couple weeks and I'm going to go back to Original Joe's in downtown San Jose and I'm going to get their their seafood marinara which is freaking phenomenal and it's got scallops and clams in it. Um it's spaghetti with marinara with scallops and clams and a little bit of salmon and it's one of the best dishes that [laughter] are there. You know, I was in uh when I was in Deadwood for the Wild West Hacking Fest. It was kind of funny because all the restaurants have very limited menus there. You can get bison, you can get more bison, you can get some beef, you can get some pork. And it [laughter] was basically the same menu, but one of the places had fish. And I was like, "Oh, there's fish." And my friend who was with me leaned in. He goes, "I just want to point out how far we are from any coast." >> Yes. >> And I [laughter] just kind of laughed. He's like, "You may or may not want to order that." I was like, "Fair. I'll go with the pork. >> As someone who grew up on the Oregon coast or or within an hour of it with family that was beachfront, um, uh, who's also a certified diver who on multiple occasions would go out to the jetties, pick up crab, and then boil them on the shore. Um, I don't eat seafood if I'm more than two hours drive inland. >> Yeah. >> Period. End of discussion. Uh yeah, >> we have we have the Great Lakes and I will eat them if they were not caught out of the lower part of the Great Lakes. There's a dividing line where Dowo Chemical is and there's an upline where Dowo Chemical is not. You don't want to be downstream of the chemical or automotive factories. That is that is a general rule. I will eat fresh fish from Michigan provided they were consume they were caught up north. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. And see, I I I love salmon, halibet, tilapia. Like, we we get so spoiled here uh as far as as fish and seafood and everything else. It is so freaking good and really really affordable. Um but uh yeah, I went to uh I flew through Chicago one time and someone was like, "Hey, we should grab sushi while we're here." And I'm like, "I'm not getting sushi at the Chicago airport." Not going to happen. [laughter] >> Airport sushi. Yeah. >> It's It's above gas station sushi, which we do have. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if you have it. We have it here. >> We have it here. Yeah. >> Okay. [laughter] >> And gas station sushi. Guess what? It's still gas station sushi here. It's not fresh. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm sure it >> Yeah. >> That doesn't get better anywhere you go. >> No. [laughter] [snorts] >> We've wandered off the tech topic. Let's How do we bring it back in? I shared a link with you for for the Windows phone people. >> Uh, did you? Let me hold on. [laughter] >> Have a laugh at that. So, I'm a big fan of Image, the self-hosted image tool that I've used in I was using Synology Photos as self-hosted, which Snowy Photos is quirky and not wonderful. Um, image has been amazing. That project has been awesome. I'm I'm a big fan of it, but apparently someone's a fan of it and they still have a Windows phone because [laughter] someone actually decided to or this. Okay. >> Yeah, this right here. Okay. >> It's called Lumich. Um the it's the other one. Go back. >> Oh, >> you had the right. Yeah, that one. Lumitch. >> Someone wrote this uh for >> Oh gosh. >> the Windows [laughter] phone. So, you can back up your Windows phone photos to image. I love this. This is fun. Someone still has a Windows phone and they're happy with it and they're now backing their photos up to image and they're happy with that. And I'm happy for them because I like there there was such a fan base for the Windows phone. Like the people that liked it were passionate about it. Matter of fact, >> I love and for those of you that want to look up some internet lore, Microsoft held a funeral for the iPhone because the team was absolutely enthusiastic that it was the iPhone killer. >> Positive. >> They were positive. They they had built the best phone ever. And there's a fake funeral that the developers had for the iPhone, which is just look that up. It's so cringe and so >> it's so bad. It is peak Steve Bomber era Microsoft. >> It is. We've defeated iPhone. We're going to carry a casket of that looks like a wind an iPhone. >> Yeah, >> cuz we beat him. [laughter] >> I hope Steve Balmer like watches that video once in a while. >> Yeah. >> Uh I'm sorry. I I got distracted by some of the feature list. Um, local versus internet server uh switching based on current Wi-Fi SSID. Supports multiple SSID names at once. Useful for larger homes. [laughter] >> Why does your larger home have mult You know you can have one? because there was an era specifically 2010, you know, and and prior to that, >> where unified, again, pun intended, uh networks were not really a thing that were available to consumers. And so if you had a large, you know, 3,000, 4,000, 6,000t house, um you didn't have a single Wi-Fi network. you bought multiple access points or multiple routers and you either daisy chained them together or or you know rudimentary mesh or whatever else, but you had multiple points in your house. There was no handoff. It was simply this one has one SSID and this one has another. If you're upstairs, use use Wi-Fi 2. If you're downstairs, use Wi-Fi 1. Um if you're in the pool house, use Wi-Fi 3. If you're outside, you might get three, but four is going to be better. Um, I love that that is written in there. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> As a feature >> because they know they they're a true Windows phone user. OG. [laughter] >> Yeah. The, uh, for those of you that aren't familiar though, the self-hosted um, monthly newsletter, it's great. Um, there's a lot of new and interesting things in there. There is a challenge I'm working on. Not that this is bad news, but I think it's something that people should be concerned with. For those of you that followed, and I did a short on it, the hunter.io controversy, which was so someone vibe coded an app called hunter.io. It glued together all your different media apps, um, Radar, Sonar, Plex, etc. It would help find missing media files, but it also, if you asked it with just a simple command, would give you the passwords and credentials for all of those media services you tied to it. So it was it was horribly written and the person was quite insistent that they had all kinds of experience with cyber security. So someone who actually had experience with cyber security did a pretty basic level of poking and that basic level of poking when they said hey I found a few flaws you should probably fix. They got immediately banned from the RedditrHuntar which apparently this was so popular it was even in TRNA which then led to um them posting in Reddit self-hosted which then led to more people trying to post in Huntar and then getting banned from the Hunar subreddit which eventually led to the person running Hunar nuking the project off of GitHub. They deleted their Reddit account. They deleted their GitHub account and uh I I I talked to the folks over at True NASA and I yanked it from their um I just let them know. I said, "I don't know if you're keeping up with the drama lately, but they're like, "Yeah, >> maybe this one's maybe this one's one to pull." Yeah, >> this one's one to pull. And I it had like 3,000 stars on GitHub. It was not like it started yesterday. Which is also bringing back to the challenge of what were some of the telltale signs and how can you as someone looking for a project that you may want to self-host know a good one versus a bad one. Now hopefully >> and and I know this is not true but hopefully none of you are publicly exposing this where the real problem could be. >> Yeah, >> people are foreshadowing here. So I'm sure a lot of people have a whole lot of more issues now because they I just don't want to put a VPN in this. I want to be able to access this from anywhere. Well, it turns out anyone can access from anywhere if you put it online. [laughter] Um, so I've been trying to come up with like some guidelines of how to spot bad projects and bad programming because it looked really nice and that's the challenge of vibe coding >> is it does look good. It can get you pretty far. Yeah. >> You just don't know whether or not it's >> done poorly or not. Yeah. It's kind of just one of those challenges. That kind of brings us back to something we've been talking about for vibe coding for a long time is a lot of the the big names out there, your your Amazon's, your Microsofts, your your OpenAIs, Nvidas, etc. They're trying to tout AI as will replace programmers, but they leave out the fact that you still need programmers to vet the code that is generated by it to ensure that it is compliant with, you know, security standards and and it actually does what's needed. Also, you need people to document said code because the code doesn't document itself. Um, you need people to be able to fix it when there's a problem. So >> I actually I I would call out the documentation part. One of the tellt tell signs is actually welldocumented code sometimes with really structured comments because I know some really good coders. It's like they they'll tell you a section of code in the most tur way. You can barely figure out what they're talking. You have to read the code like I don't know they said this loop does the thing I want. You know that's all [laughter] you get. But the vibe coder has like a paragraph in there that the AI wrote for them. Yeah. >> Uh but it it is really tricky um to make sure it's in someone's hands that's not building spaghetti code that in building a serviceable codebase because at the end of it all LLMs are like any other tool. Tools shorten the distance between what you want done and getting it done. It it makes work more efficient. It's an amplifier. If you're an idiot, [laughter] it amplifies idiocy. So that's part of the problem we're seeing because I I know some of the egregious problems uh in the enterprise space that I live in. Uh most recently Avanti was in the news and my favorite way is Avanti uses their own product and it apparently hackers got into Avanti in 2020. They found out now in 2026 that they've been there. Yeah. For for all these years uh exploiting stuff, but it it's like there's a bunch of egregiously dumb stuff written in there and it's been around for years long before vibe coding. Unfortunately, over the next six years, because all the vibe coding crap right now, vibe coding is the asbestous we're stuffing the walls with now that we're going to find in a few years. >> Oh, what a good analogy. [laughter] Yeah, it's it's going to take a few years for us to shuffle out all these things that we're using, but it's just like it's exploding. It is. I mean, maybe we'll find it before. Maybe it won't be as latent a problem as as technology moves faster. Yeah. But >> it's rough. It is. [laughter] >> It's a situation right now. Um, we actually were laughing because there's been uh so many CVS score of perfect 10. Cisco just dropped one today. I mean, I think it's their second one this year. We were trying to debate about that because um there's a whole other controversy of the uh the midter that runs the CVS's got some data quality issues it sounds like and funding issues that are driving all the problems. Um, but the inside information, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this because with the cyber security people, it'll be out soon enough. Uh, the 10 that dropped, it's actually been around for a few years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The one in SC man, it it's been around and been being exploited for a few years. It just got discovered now. >> Yep. Yeah. Uh, yeah. It it was published 16 hours ago, but I I guess discovered in 22 or something like that, like Yeah. >> [laughter] >> So, >> uh, they also had one in December, December 17th, they had a 10.0. >> Yeah, that 10.0. Uh, and Microsoft had some 10.0, so they got backed off to 9.9. And there are currently, please, if you've seen an update for Firefox, I know a lot of you are Firefox users. Please update your browser immediately. There are three 10.0's. Uh, Jazzy J. Jazzy J is the only thing I we've been trying to figure out who this person is. They came in and submitted some bugs to Firefox and they dropped some tens. They've dropped some sandbox escapes and Firefox is addressing them, but you can't get any information because apparently these are 10. They're high severity. So, yes, there's a patch. >> I I think this person did under assumed name. It's always hard to tell with hackers. They always have weird names. But it's funny because I found I found referenced her name only on these Firefox bugs. They don't seem to have references anywhere else. It's like it's a it's a weird name like Jazzy J. Jazzy J. And >> yeah, >> like someone just typed that in real quick and like here that's my name I'm going to use to submit these bugs. Here's a sandbox escape. So [laughter] >> actually there's a um I always thought we would learn who the person was. There's an anonymous hero that um contacted a very very large one of the highest deployed remote connection tools using the enterprise space called Screen Connect. It's absolutely everywhere and it led to what was called the slash and grab. Uh, slash and grab is because you could put a slash at the end of screen connect and then a series of whatever characters you wanted and it would rekick off the installer. That bug that was found in 2023 dated back to the original release in 2012. Anyone could do this and it was arbitrary to rekick off the setup script. Oh yeah, the slashing was amazing. The writeup is just like >> it was crazy because the moment you gave the indicator of compromise to someone to write a rule for it, you knew how to do it. You're like, it can't be that easy. All of us as we learned about it because I was working with a few other people including you folks at Huntress to get the word word out and actually call people who had screen connect set up. >> But the inside information is of how this vulnerability was found. An anonymous user just contacted ConnectWise says, "I don't want to be known. I'll just going to show you this real quick." >> Yeah. >> And left. Just bombed them with the email and left. Like, here you go. Just like you guys should really fix this, >> by the way. [laughter] >> By the way, dipped. and everyone's like, "No way this is real." And it was like, "Oh boy, this is real." So, [laughter] this is kind of fun when you got people like that. >> By the way, for those who who want to know what the exploit was >> and and why it's so funny, I I I remember reading this article on Huntress a while back, >> go to setup wizard.aspx. This is where you would uh set up a sc screen connect for the first time. If screen connect was already set up, there would be nothing to see or do here. add a forward slash to the end of the address. >> Yep. >> You are now connected. >> Yep. [laughter] >> And when you rerun the setup, it doesn't delete the database with all the computers in it. So you're thinking, oh what? I could just reset up screen connect. Yes, but no. What you do when you reset screen connect is you only reinitialize the users, but all the systems connected stay connected. So you would I don't you don't even have to know what the old admin was. Matter of fact, you're about to wipe it out when you run the setup. And you just would create I'm gonna create myself as an admin, right? And go look, everything's still here. All the settings, all the computers are connected. I can now remote into all the computers. >> Yep. >> Oh man, it is such a mess. >> Yep. Insert slashhack completed. >> Hack [laughter] completed. Yeah, it was I remember when I found out about it because um if you're familiar with how some of the cyber security stuff is released, they have TLP red, TLP amber for it's a traffic light protocol and it kind of gives you this was all under TLP red with cyber security people are like and even then they were like we can't talk about how this has happened. We just know you have to patch but what is the indicator we knew? He goes we can't even tell you what the indicator is because you'll know how to exploit it. Like it [laughter] was so it was like you have to patch this. That was like what came down from on high was everyone has to patch this. Yeah. Well, what's the CVSS? I don't know. Is there an 11? >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Basically, like >> does it go that high? Maybe we should think of new numbers. >> 11. [laughter] >> Don't [snorts] worry, Dell. Dell's not going to be left out. Dell had a um hardcoded credentials in Apache Tomcat, which runs their uh Dell open server manage tool. So, >> yeah, I I I did remember hearing about that one. Yeah. Yeah, that one's like last week's news. Apparently that was under active exploit and someone's like, "Did they really hardcode credentials?" Yeah. How long has it been like that? Long before vibe coding. >> A while. A while. >> But whoever the [ __ ] was that did it, he's probably vibe coding something as we speak. We'll find out about that in a few more years. >> Right. >> Shove that asbestous in the wall. He decided to retire from Dell and now he's making this really cool media plug-in tool that you can [laughter] >> media plugin tool >> connects all your media stuff together [laughter] [snorts] >> uh since I'm sure a couple people are wondering uh beer number two uh is uh one that I have not seen before but it is a local uh one of my favorite breweries locally to me uh Block 15 out of Corvalis Oregon Um, Block 15 makes what I consider to be the quintessential Northwest IPA in what's called Sticky Hands. Uh, as far as a dank IPA goes, um, once you've had it, you know what that flavor profile is and and everyone's on the same page. It's just like one of those defining beers. Um, this one, I love everything that I saw about this and this is the first time that I'm having it. Uh, block 15, the incredible triple IPA. First off, the canart is a Glen Karen with hops in it. It's great. [laughter] I love that Canart. Uh, 10.6%. Uh, beyond belief, our triple IPA pushes boundaries with the monumental hop characteristics of fresh tropical fruit and sticky resin soaring above a pristine malt foundation for incredible balance. Um, it's just so good. Number one. Number two is when I start going like triple IPA, I think my quintessential Northwest triple would be Nasi Megalodon. It's it's one that you can get if you look for you might need to go to a bottle shop, but they have enough distribution. It's one of the largest breweries in Oregon. You you can usually find it somewhere. Um, this one is actually lighterbodied than Megalodom is, but a little bit more intense flavor. It's It's weird where it has like all the hallmarks of that like super thick cut it with a knife dank intense IPA with a little bit lighter body. Oh, and an extra 6% on it. I like it. I like this one a lot. I think I need to run and grab a uh another brew. I should be more thoughtful and have it down here already. I [laughter] did not do that. One of these times I've only done these live streams for you for so once, but I will soon figure it out. [laughter] >> Yeah, you know, you come down with two is is is usually what I do. >> I know what to do. Yeah, >> I usually switch to whiskey after one beer. That's usually my But I'm going to go get my whiskey. So, same go same thing. I could have brought it, but I did not. So, I'll be right back. >> All right, sounds good. >> All right. [laughter] >> Uh, one of these turns off Tom's camera. I don't know which one it is. No, that's not that. Oh, wait. There it is. Zoom call. All right, cool. Tom's gone. Uh, I I don't have set up the the the solo view yet, unless I want to do. Um, turn that back on for when he gets back. There we go. Now I can talk. Ah, I fixed it. We are a professional show around here, let me tell you. Uh, I really wish I had a producer who would take care of all these things beforehand, but no, it's just me. Uh, cool. Uh, does Tom have a producer? No, he doesn't. He probably should at this point, though. Like I can I can text and I can get a beer, right? Uh, Solar Winds, Solar Winds 123. Jeff is vibe streaming right now. This whole stream is always a vibe stream. I don't know what else to tell you. Um, I I will say um someone made a suggestion not long ago and maybe this will spark a larger conversation once Tom gets back. um is uh someone suggested as I was doing some AI reviews with LLMs and things like that uh you know reviewing the Dell GB10 or my V100 system or anything like that is hey why don't you download a specific programming focused LLM and you vibe code something and you see what's possible And I said, I think I'm going to have to decline. And it's for the exact same reasons that I harp on vibe coding. It's because I'm not a coder. I don't know what I'm doing. And while I could probably make something function through vibe coding, I have no way of knowing if it's good or if it's secure. I I can't read code well enough to tell you. I I can't vet projects like that. So, if I were to promote, hey, look at what I can do with an LLM. I can vibe code this thing on a Raspberry Pi to do X thing. You should totally host this yourself. That's bad advice because I don't even know if it's secure. Nor do I want to present myself as an expert vibe coder because I'm certainly not. I'm not even a regular. >> Everyone's an expert vibe coder. Come on. >> I I'm not even a regular coder with >> I feel enough personal responsibility to not show you that if that makes sense. >> Did you mute yourself, Jeff? >> No, should be on. >> Can you hear me? >> I hear you fine. >> Okay. Yeah. >> I'm just saying other I seen people in the comments. >> Oh, no. No. I I already fixed that. Uh, so I I went to the solo screen and the solo screen didn't have my audio input, so I I grabbed it, fixed it. We're all good. Yeah. >> Cool. All right. >> Yep. >> Making sure. I just I just catching up with the comments when I sat down. >> Uh, Nollah Hub says, "I need to consult Raal." [laughter] >> I I got to congratulate him on making self-hosted because I've never made that newsletter. >> I've never made the self-hosted newsletter. And he's he's at the top of it. >> That's [laughter] pretty good, right? >> I I think for being infamous, not famous. >> Love you, Brett. [laughter] >> We love you, man. >> Love you, man. >> Uh uh yeah. Uh I think we could talk about it. We could talk about it lightigh-heartedly because this kind of goes hand inhand with what I was just talking about. Like I'm not a coder. I I don't I don't know what I'm doing. Um, so I I know you've done a little bit more reading on on this than I have. Uh, >> very little more because so the long and short of it here as I understand it from the self-hosted newsletter. I've not watched a video directly and I'm also biased. I like right now. He's a friend. >> Yeah, he's a nice guy. >> Brett's a really good one. >> Yeah. >> And I don't think anyone thinks he was malicious with what he did, but it sound like his vibe coding and this is a challenge. um it copied a popular project. So then he just revivec coded what someone else did without giving attribution but I don't think he maliciously did it. I think he >> right >> not maliciously do it. I have not gotten deep into the details but essentially this caused quite the kurfuffle. At first I thought the kurfuffle and I dismissed it and didn't watch the video. I'm like oh people are mad for vibe coding and unlisted the video. If he unlisted it I don't care about watching it that much. But I did see it and I just skipped over that post and read it self-hosted. But then when they seen it in a self-hosted newsletter, I'm like, "Oh, he copied someone else's project. Oh, that's different." Yeah. And uh >> yeah, that's that's something that I've um I covered Dohand for example. And >> now all indication for me looking at Dohand, I did my some level of due diligence. It seems popular. I've seen some engagement. Uh they actually did not say they were vibe coding it. They seem to have proper poll requests. they seem to have really strong um like processes in place because they prune their Docker image well. I didn't like really deeply examine it, but they seem to do it in a in a way. Once again, it goes beyond some of it goes beyond the scope of what I'm really good at, which I'm slowly getting better at uh validating these things, but I got a few messages from people that claims Dochan copied their project. And I don't know if that's true or not. I I because I don't know. They've both been around for a minute. Not a long, they both been around kind of a short minute. And so I don't know who copied who. U someone I got some messages from people and I said, "Did you look at the code? Is it the same?" They said, "No, it's not, but they copied our design for a Docker manager." And I'm like, >> "I don't know." Because they they I said, "I I have no I don't know the people at Docand. I just chose it because I set it up. I said, "I like this. I'd like to share this, too." But the people in the comment sections are like, "Yeah, this uh, you know, complained about the project." So I >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It gets hard for us cuz I mean a few people had messaged me that I'm a paid shill. I'm like >> for what? >> Oh, I get that every week. That's that's that's just normal. >> Yeah. Do free. Matter of fact, I thought it was interesting what Dochan did. They did a uh not a normal GPL license. They did a business license, but uh is it business? I forget the license name they use. I it's in the video. I I commented on it. I said, "Yeah, this is the type of license they're using." But they said initially they're using this license. Then they're flipping it after they've been around for two years to the full Apache license. Yeah. And they're they have that under road map like this is what the license is today and in two years from now this is what the license will be. Like that's how we're doing it. Yeah. Um, and and they're doing it to try to let them build up without someone just cloning their project. So, I kind of get it because open source is a little bit of a mess. And I I definitely in my younger years was all purist about GPL and now I'm like everything's a mess and I don't know the answer is. I I want everything to be open source, but I don't know that I hate these licenses for things because there's problems. Yes. [clears throat] Mhm. >> Um, as an open source developer, let let me let me give you some insight into into my thought process for for my current thing. Um, is I love open source. I absolutely love open source. You should make things your own. You should you should be able to contribute. You should be able to modify. You should be able to, you know, whatever else. Um, we are going to be releasing the firmware for open virro open source uh as soon as we start shipping the boards. Well, why haven't you released the open source yet? The firmware is probably done. Yeah, the firmware is done. Um, we don't want someone to clone us and undercut us before we release hardware because at the same time, we're also a hardware company. Um, number two, uh, when we release this, there will be a contributor license agreement. So, if you contribute code back, we will own that code. Why are we doing that? That's that's against the open source philosophy. Well, the reason we're doing that is we're having two branches of this product. One is going to be consumer focused, the other is going to be enterprise focused. And if there's an enterprise branch that needs code that has been publicly submitted, I still need to own that code. That's how the the world works. And and so it's not going to be very popular when when the l when it gets released and it and it's licensed in a specific way. Um it's still going to be open source. You could still vet it. You could still, you know, whatever else. Um we may or may not allow forking. I don't know if we're doing that yet. But open source simply means you can open the source. It doesn't mean you have rights to do whatever you want with it. And it's a fine line to balance when you're in business trying to make money off an idea that you had and off a product that you're trying to sell. So yeah. [laughter] Um >> it's complicated. >> It's very complicated. Um yeah. >> Yeah. No easy answers on that heavy topic. >> Yeah. I would love to simply give everything that I've ever made away for free, but also still earn money from it. Those things are mutually exclusive. The number of people, so I still release my videos under creative comments. People misunderstand my creative comments license. There is less of it now because YouTube made things harder for the people to do it. But what people do is simply re-upload my videos and say, "Well, they're creative comments, so I have the right to do I'm like, "No, you do not have the right to monetize my al they would rip the entirety of my video." >> If I had an ad in the video, they would cut that out. The only part of the video would get cut. Like the entirety of the video except for the ad roll. Sometimes they wouldn't even cut that. Yeah. Sometimes they wouldn't cut that. Which I actually thought it was funny because when I argued with the guy, he got mad at me and he says, "I left your ad in because it was an ad for me." Like the ad like if you like to hire us, he left that part in. And I thought it was funny that he thought that made it justified. He goes, "I'm putting your video in more places." Yeah. >> I'm like, "You're putting in the same place. You're on YouTube." >> Yeah. >> I said, "If you want to post it to some other platform, honestly, I probably won't waste my time chasing you." That's why I told him. I said, "I'm I'll at least be honest and give you something better to go do." >> I said, "But if you're going to post it to the same platform it's on, you're not doing me anything." >> Yeah. What What is the Chinese service VU or something like that? Um Oh, yeah. Yeah. There there's there there's a a Chinese video host that's very popular. Um and my videos have popped up there. Cool. I get exposure there now. Um, that's not a market that I monetize. That's not a market that I really, you know, that I'm pushing content to. Yeah, cool. Whatever. It doesn't affect me. That's piracy that has zero impact on me. If you're reuploading to YouTube, that's a view that is not mine. >> End of the day. Look, I make fractions of a penny for a view. But if you got 7,000 views on a video that you reuploaded of mine, that's 7,000 views my video did not receive. that's still a monetary damage to me. Um, if and uh I have seen people redirect affiliate links to their own and so I'll I'll post a product review, >> they will re-upload my video uh and then insert their own affiliate link. So, not only am I not getting the view count, I'm also not getting the click-throughs, which I also rely on for for, you know, whatever else. And a lot of times in in the YouTube land because ad dollars are so small or ad revenue from YouTube's ad system, uh the affiliate links are much more favorable to us. >> Yeah. Which is really funny. When I give a a bad review for a product, I still end up selling seven of them and I still end up making more on affiliate links than I do on the actual video that got published. >> Yeah, >> that is so much fun. [laughter] >> H, you know, speaking of YouTube, let's pivot a little bit here. Sure. I I found I remembered something that's I think is uplifting. I think is interesting and I'm looking forward to it. >> So Kane Pixels, if you don't know the name, Kain Pixels has produced some pretty interesting YouTube content that are I don't know that I want to call them movies, but they're like I guess kind of is a movie because this one is 46 minutes. Uh this part three is 46 minutes long. Um it's a series called The Oldest View by Keen Pixels. That's one of them. the first ones I watch. I've seen some of the others. He has an absolute brilliant talent for creating uh liinal space and giving you this eerie feeling through a narrative. Oh yeah. See, people know the back rooms. Yeah. >> Yeah. The back rooms guy. Yeah. >> This. >> And so it's fascinating. But he got a deal. Young guy. I I I want to say he was like 20 when he signed the deal. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh A24 is producing one of his movies and they just dropped the trailer for it. Like A24 is a pretty innovative studio. They've they've made some really cool stuff over the years. It's a little bit different than a lot of the Hollywood stuff. It's better storytelling, less flashy graphics, which is definit Well, Cain Pixels is an exception to that because as I've learned because I was like this filming is amazing, but I don't understand where he filmed it and I learned he just produced a lot of it. like he used 3D art to create it and it looks extremely like I think he filmed it at a abandoned mall and it's not filmed at an abandoned mall but you are convinced it's filmed at an abandoned mall right so it's one of those the best special effects are when you didn't notice the special effects yeah and >> um yeah A24 and Bloomhouse um both of them have produced some uh really neat stuff but the um I'm excited they just released the first trailer uh for what's going to be his first movie so I'm pretty excited about that that's uh I like when movies are something very different. You know, of the movies I watched last year, some of them are produced by these smaller uh studios, doing something interesting, creating compelling story, not superhero flashy graphics. So, I mean, superhero flashy graphics, sure, I watch it. Sure, I'm entertained. Cool. Everything exploded, everything was big and my speakers went boom. But, you [laughter] know, occasionally tell me a story, make me enjoy it. And uh I always feel the other ones there. Although uh did you I don't know if you watch a lot of movies but did you watch weapons? >> No, I did not. >> So [laughter] my favorite Reddit review of Weapons. >> I have three children under 13. I don't watch movies anymore, Tom. >> Yeah, that's what I [laughter] say. I think that was outside of there. I I Weapons is about a bunch of kids that kind of get taken. Um so it's a very interesting slightly supernatural story. Yeah. And you there's a there's in the trailers, so it's not really a spoiler, where all the kids run free and destroy things, but it's like weapons is really about just telling you how destructive kids at that kids between 10 and 12 can be. They absolutely just terrorize things for a little while and it is crazy. [laughter] Uh >> yeah, that that that second streak of independence that that kids get, you know, middle to high school age where they're like, >> I'm kind of my own person now. I can go. >> By the way, this has nothing to do with current parenting that I may be doing in my household, but that that little streak of independence that you might reach when you once you become a teenager. Um yeah, it's it hits a little different, doesn't it? [laughter] >> Yep. I want I see someone in there. Um, the worst thing about reading House of Leaves in public is no one understands why you're holding the book upside down and slowly spinning it. But I will understand why you're doing it. So that book is upstairs. You know, that's my that's actually what I do more so than I'm trying to get into video games, but I'm which also means I'm taking a hiatus from books. I read more books than I do play games. >> Um, that's that's my little guilt weird guilty pleasure I found later in life was reading as many. I read a decent amount of books when I was younger, but they're always just technical manuals. >> Right. Yeah. >> Now I'm actually reading like stories. >> Yeah. >> I was just against fiction for no particular reason other than defiant against it. I'm not reading a fiction book. If I'm reading a book, it'll be a technical manual. I'm learn how to code something. >> What's really funny is uh I I would read technical manuals or product manuals or or anything like that um for the longest time. Uh, but I also drove about an hour to work and an hour from work every single day. On the way to work, I would listen to to audiobooks and on the way home, I would usually listen to sports radio uh sports talk. And so I I would I would have like three wildly different mediums of consuming information uh in a single day, like an hour each. Um, >> and and I really liked it. like, "Oh, why don't you just like listen to more audiobooks?" It's like, I I got enough of that book on on the way to work. I don't need two hours of that a day. I I want just enough of the story to progress. I want just enough character development or whatever else or just enough of that scene to to when I wake up in the morning, I want to look forward to hearing what's next. I I don't want to double that. Also, I like the Blazers. I like the Ducks. I I like, you know, things that are happening in sports. I I want to know about that. And then, you know, why don't you watch ESPN at lunch? Well, I'm reading my book then. Like that. [laughter] >> I um I made a new local friend. Uh get this weird DM on Reddit and it's going to lead to something that's going to make you laugh. Yeah. >> But turns out works at it, works in tech, and lives a mile, two miles from me. Anyways, became friends, started BSing. Uh and he bought a house and he's been talking about home assistants. So, you're sharing home assistant stuff. Yeah. and he's he's got a fun goal because he's got some got some ability to code and write things, but I I laugh at what his goal is. It's all because he's hoping to have it um all working soon. He wants it before next season of the Lions. His He's got this whole Lions themed basement that he built. So, obviously >> I like him already. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. And he wants an entire home assistant thing. So, when they score it pulls it gets information and blinks the lights and stuff like that. And he was just going over this whole thing. I'm like, "That is actually kind of cool that you had to do like it has this whole lines thing." He goes, "The sad part is it's only going to happen a couple times a year." [laughter] I'm like I was like, "I'm going to [ __ ] up with Jeff." >> That's funny. >> He's like, "All this work, it'll be worth it. Even though it's going to happen a couple times a year." >> Yeah. >> H >> home assistant to pull the lion score that then blinks lights and changes like >> blinks lights on a on a score change. Um, with my life as busy as it is, I I don't do a lot of subscriptions or I I don't want notifications on scores because sometimes I'm not watching live. Um, and so, uh, I I really enjoy watching sports, but at the same time, it's like I am so busy sometimes I get to watch a recap at like 10:00 that night. I don't want my phone dinging with every first down and every score and every lead change and things like that because >> that's part of the enjoyment is what happened. >> Um and and so I I don't know like that sounds really fun and really cool and something I would love to turn on >> if I could time it properly with like a party or something like that to like sync with a TV broadcast to when the Lion score all of a sudden the lights go blue or whatever else. >> Yeah. And it it wouldn't be hard to probably set up frigate to watch the show with you to grab the images and watch when the lion score and and activate something based on >> when number goes up, you know, on on because the the the score bug at the bottom is usually pretty accurate to to real time >> uh things. And so, you know, when the Lions cross the end zone, that score bug's going to flip from from a from a seven to a 13. And you go, "Oh, I can update my my algorithm now, and I can, >> you know, give a give a touchdown celebration or or or a field goal celebration, you know, with with the lighting and and sounds and things like that. I think that's something that could totally be done, especially with some, you know, machine vision. Yeah, you know, >> the machine vision stuff is something I might work on a little bit more next. Like I have >> um through a series of hooks if a human or a vehicle is detected in the front of my house or the back of my house in different areas. I have different types of alerts. It turns different lights on based on that. Um but someone did something clever at an event and I didn't understand why they were doing this until they finally got to it. Can you think of a good reason you would want to connect your vision system that recognizes objects in your camera to your calendar? Why would you want that integration? The answer is really obvious as soon as the guy said it. It doesn't make any So, what he ended up doing >> your calendar will like if you're using like Google calendar or something like that, you could have it highlight or or identify certain colors on certain days for certain events and and have it trigger lights or sounds or, you know, reactions. >> But he was having it pushed to the calendar. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] I was stumped. I was stumped when the guy started explaining this until until he showed me the end result. >> LLM vision pushed to calendar. Okay, now I'm confused and really intrigued. >> I was confused and intrigued because but this is so clever and it's genius. The LLM has a special calendar set up in his Google calendar that was just dedicated to what it recognized. So at 2:33 p.m. a man in a brown shirt dreams a box. The UPS guy drops a box. It sets on the porch. At 2:35 p.m. someone else sets a pizza on there. It logged all the things that happened in a calendar and then linked to the video. I'm like, this man's a genius. [laughter] I was like, and it shows up on his phone in real time. So, he actually knew without looking at the video to roll back into video. It I >> that is really clever to make calendar events. >> Yeah, >> that is really clever because usually that's a SQL database on the back end that you've got to query for certain events. You just cataloged it and categorized it in real time. Holy [ __ ] I said that I do. I was like, I have I have been thinking wrong, >> dude. >> This was so obvious. Like, this is so easy. And he's like, ain't hard at all because he goes, the nice thing is I don't need a VPN for home or anything. My Google calendar, my phone is real time updated for what's going on. >> Updated. Hey, there there's a Brown event. Oh, cool. UPS stopped by at 233. >> Yeah, someone sent a package and my package is here and I know when it arrived. [laughter] Someone took the package. >> I'm angry at how clever that is. I I was too when he said he was when he started out the talk because it's at an event and he was like and I I used the push. I'm like why are you timing it? You're timing your lights in calendar. I guess that could work but I just use timers in home assistant to do that. I was like what? [laughter] It was just great. Lvision timeline photos and stuff. He had some cool extra clever things he had done but I was just like that alone that's your basis that you can really build something neat on. >> Yeah. Uh, I bought some doorbell cameras like three years ago. I still haven't installed them and it's been on my mind lately with all the Ring things. Like, you know what? I'm going to make a video on like installing my own cameras with Blackjack and Hookers and and and make it work like kind [clears throat] of thing. >> Um, >> what kind of cameras are they? >> Uh, they are Hold on. I can tell you I can tell you exactly what I bought. >> I have the um I don't have them on my house because I don't have a doorbell on my house. Yeah. Yeah, the uh >> we don't have we don't have doorbells either. Uh we have a doorbell transformer, but it's it's very much disconnected. Um but I bought a new doorbell transformer that I was going to put in the attic and then power both the cameras via 24volt off of that. However, >> I also don't love that they're Wi-Fi and so now I'm considering getting a PoE camera so I can run hardline so it can't be, you know, attacked with a with an RF device. Um cuz that's also a thing >> cuz I I do like the Unifi doorbells and now the the UniFi doorbells have PoE and jacks and they're really nice. I I love the UniFi camera system. I've been really happy with it. >> Yeah. My biggest gripe about uh their Amrest uh is what I bought. Um my biggest gripe with the UniFi system is they're more expensive than everyone else. I understand that they're integrated. I understand that it's a it's a nice unified environment. Um, but spending 250 for a for a camera when it should cost 70 [cough and clears throat] cameras have come down a lot. >> Okay. >> So, they're in the 130 cate 130 150 category. >> Okay. That's better. That's better. >> Much better. Yeah. >> Um, but what's what makes them interesting is the fact that >> the NVR itself is stupid. The NVR is a cheap product because none of the brains are in it. They they have to have all the brains in the camera because there's no when you look at the MVR, you look at the processor, you're like, "This thing is speced poorly." Yeah. >> And [laughter] you're like, all this doing is collecting data and all the data has to come from the camera. >> It's like a form four core ARM V7 is what's on the NVR or something like that. Like it is it is 2017 era cell phone tech is what's in the NVR. [laughter] >> Yeah. But but the cool thing is they're they now also offer sub $100 cameras which are some of their Wi-Fi ones which are good for around the house and things like that. So they they've really come down cuz you're right they before it was always like I can buy these Amros with some of these features for $79 >> and and they're like yeah we've got the new G4 camera. It's $299. I'm like okay that's cool. [laughter] >> Yeah. So, >> I'm sorry. I'm not buying seven of those around. I I don't have $2,100 for cameras around my house. I'm sorry. >> Um, one of the nice things they done for integration was they fully integrated web hooks into it. So, you they have an API as well, but if you don't even want to query API, you can just do web hook to things, which is also quite handy. Yeah. >> So, um, >> yeah, I I knew you could you could web hook them. You can get like MJPEG streams go going anywhere. You could you could do a bunch of bunch of other things. Yeah. which is cool as far as like, hey, you have these cameras. They are yours. You can use them for what you want. And I always appreciated that, but I always scoffed at the $300 price tag of a lot of their bullet cams. >> Yep. One of the uh I actually think it's kind of funny. A lot of people are always like, "You got to lock down the camera network. You got to make sure the cameras can't get online." And then people like, "Well, then they won't get firmware updates." I'm like, "Actually, the interesting way that UniFi defined them, you don't have to have them online at all. They get their updates directly from the MVR. They don't even ping online. Yep. Um they don't reach out. They only talk to the MVR. So only the MVR needs internet and it doesn't need internet. It's it's optional, but I recommend updating firmware. >> Yeah. >> Uh we have some Wise cameras. Um but they are on an isolated network. They they cannot reach online and we don't even use the Wise software or the the web interface for them. Um, you can use uh I I downloaded the um gosh, what is the the streaming protocol? Uh RTSP. >> RTSP. >> Yeah. Um that for the the WiseV3 and the Wise V4, you can download a firmware that enables Ru uh RTSP on the on those cameras. And so we have it on an independent system on its own network. There's still Wi-Fi. I don't love that. I want my my cameras hardlined, but I also haven't felt the need to invest three grand into everything that I need to make a full camera network work. Like, >> yeah, >> when I build my studio, yes, probably maybe. [snorts and laughter] >> But >> look, the drywall is down. You can run as many wires as you want. Yeah, the the camera system I have I I've went a little overboard with my UniFi camera system. I I now have one of the AI industrial PTZs in my backyard. >> Nice. [laughter] >> That is a that is used to watch squirrels. And my wife thought I was joking and she's watching me with as it has a I think it's a 32x optical zoom and she's like, "You are really watching squirrels." I'm like, "Yes, I am >> and I'm happy about this." What's really funny is uh we live in a in a a a split level house and so our entrance is at street level, but then we have a staircase that just goes like this. And so my office is a 5 foot sunken daylight basement. Um I I have a three-foot window uh over here in the in on the on the sidewall, but other than that, I'm surrounded by concrete down here. Um and it's great. It it's great for noise isolation. And I I hardly ever hear anything from the street. It stays nice and cool all all year long. Um but that also means my living room, which is which is above me. Um is 5 foot above grade at the floor level. >> Uh which means the living room window is like 14 ft off the ground. Like it's it's up there. Um, what's really cool is we have a couple of maple trees in our front yard and the squirrels love to run on the branches of the maple tree which run right in front of our our giant living room window. And so I love sitting on the couch watching TV and then being able to turn around and there's like two or three squirrels just going back and forth and chasing each other. That is so much fun. [laughter] >> Yeah, they're just great to watch. Yeah, I like sit I love in the summer I sit outside and watch them do stuff. Uh Zeus chimes in with a $2 donation. Thank you very much. Uh Mr. Home Lab Hazards. Uh yeah, I would never spend $2,100 on Cam. Wait, [laughter] >> I haven't been to your house, but I know people who have, so I I'm aware. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> we'll put it that way. >> I have a lot of cameras. >> Skull says, "I watch the city deer on mine." Uh the deer have made it to my house. Um, I've got multiple pictures of them walking around our cars in the driveway and and things like that. That's always fun. Um, >> I'm uh too much in the BBS to have deer. They are within a few miles of here, but it's like they're two miles away. >> We're we're on the very edge of the BBS and so we do get deer here occasionally. >> Um, it's really funny actually. Uh, so we uh I took my daughters to the beach years ago and uh we ended up driving down this this isolated road going down to beach access and there was a family of deer that walked across the road and my oldest was in the front seat and my my middle kid was in the was in the back and so my oldest got to see the deer cross the road uh and was like, "Oh, that's really cool." Um well, years later, like two, three years later, um we're we're driving up the the back hills behind my house to to come in the back way and uh my youngest says from the back seat, "Hey, do you remember when we were at the beach and you saw those deer?" And I went, "Yeah, I remember that." And she goes, "I really wish I could have seen them." And I went, "Yeah, that would have been cool, but you know, there's deer around here, too." We turn the next corner and there's a family of deer crossing the road right in front of us. [laughter] Nice. The timing could not have been more perfect. It's like, oh, you wanted to see deer. Well, there you go. [laughter] Ah, yeah. Driving. Uh, driving and deer are a whole different It's a real challenge here in Michigan. I imagine it is everywhere. Yeah, I' I've hit one. Uh I I don't know anyone who hasn't hit one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> it's a thing. >> Yeah, it's a thing. Um Yeah, we uh I hit one with my wife's car. That was really funny. Uh this is >> better than your car. >> Yeah. Better. Yeah, exactly. Um so, uh gosh, this would have been 2007ish. Um, I I used to work uh the mid graveyard shift. So, I would start at 2 in the morning and then get off at noon. Um, noon being a good day, 4 in the afternoon being a bad day. Um, do the math. Uh, anyway, uh, needed to go to work one day, went out to my car, and my car wouldn't start. Battery was dead. And so, I'm like, well, I'm just going to take my wife's car. And so I get in my wife's car, drive away from home, about two miles away from home, and uh there's a deer on the side of the road, and I'm looking at him, and he's on the same side of the road I am, and and it's wanting to cross in. So I'm driving this way. Deer is is on my my side of the road wanting to cross in front of me, and I went, "Don't do it." And I get about 50 feet from it, and it takes three steps out into the middle of the road. And I'm I'm coming over as as much as I'm comfortable. It's two-lane 60 mph road. Um I'm like, I don't like this. Uh get closer to the deer and it takes one more step right in front of me. I end up cracking it with uh my wife's front right headlight. Took the legs out from under it. Broke it broke both its shoulders. Um, uh, completely messed up my wife's car. It was a 95 Dodge Neon. Uh, buckled the front bumper, the hood, and pushed the fender back into the passenger door. The passenger door didn't want to open anymore. Uh, oh, and broke the windshield. Uh, so got got all of that. Um, slammed on the brakes. uh looked behind me, deer got up, ran off, probably died 50 feet later as deer tend to do, but it's like, ah, god dang it. So, called into work, went, "Hit a deer. I'm going home. Got to get the car fixed." Luckily, it was all just panel damage. It wasn't really that bad. Um, but yeah, the only deer I've ever hit was with my wife's car. uh until we're driving down to California years later uh in my car in the car that didn't want to start uh because it had a dead battery. And my wife's in the passenger seat with me. It's about 6:00 in the morning. We're going through Medford, Southern Oregon on I5. Same scenario. There's a deer on the side of the road >> and I went, "Don't do it." [laughter] And uh uh I I saw him from like 200 yards away. Like don't do it. Deer starts coming. So I just slammed on the brakes. It's 6:00 in the morning. I can slam on the brakes. Even though it's I5, there's no one behind me. There's no one in front of me. It's a seven mile straightaway. Uh people are going to see me. So I just slam on the brakes. Um we come to a stop maybe 50 from the deer. It walks into the middle of the road, stops, looks at us, looks back down the road, looks back at us, chills there for like five minutes, [laughter] just standing in the middle of the road like, "Yeah, see this is what exact exactly what happened to me with your car." Only I couldn't stop like that because we were cresting a hill at the time. >> Yeah. [laughter] I didn't have this option. Uh yeah, all the wonderfuls of wild riding a motorcycle only makes that more dangerous. >> Mhm. >> I slow down. I see a deer on the bike cuz I'm out in the woods a lot. I'm like, "Yeah, no. I'm slowing way down." >> Yeah. >> I seen someone mention elk and I did have a terrifying experience. We're riding >> pretty steep hill >> and there's a cut into the hill. So, we're riding on the side of the hill where it just levels out for a second. So, it's steep down and steep up. So, you are on this trail and you are not deviating from it. >> Yeah. >> And uh we were just going and an elk was wandering up the hill. I'm like, I think I can get ahead of them. I don't know. And it was like instantly on top of us and it ran next to us on the trail. It was just like [laughter] riding side by side cuz it didn't cross us. It ran side by side with me and my friend. And we were just like, I don't know if I should slow down cuz we're now scared of the elk. If we slow down and stop, will it stop? I don't know. It just trotted alongside. Eventually, it just kind of stopped and stared at us and we just kept driving. It was like, yeah, >> we're like, we could have died. >> Yeah. [laughter] No, elk are not >> elk are so big. >> Yeah. >> They're just You just can't believe something that large just wanders it way through the woods. There's like sticks hanging off its antlers and stuff because it doesn't care. >> Just doesn't care. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I've got a number of elk stories. Um, my motorcycle story though. Um, so I've ridden motorcycles since I was about 5 years old. Motorcycles, ATVs, snowmobiles, anything. Any anything with an engine between my legs >> engine on it, Jeff's going >> I am I am at home, right? Um I remember I was in my late 20s and um I had just bought a 250 cc dirt bike. Um after I had sold a pair of 660 snowmobiles um cuz it's like okay well I I need something that I can ride all year long because the snow doesn't last long around here. I've got kids now. I've you know I'm not making it up to the mountains as much. let me let me go ahead and you know I'll buy a dirt bike that way I can make it up in the summer and I can still ride. Cool. >> Yeah. >> Um and at the same time I was like well you know if I'm going to buy a motorcycle and I'm going to buy you know do all this stuff I might as well go and get my endorsement ride on the road you know commute to work you know all all the things that motorcycle riders do. And so I'm up there with my with my dirt bike. And uh I'm up riding with my dad and uh I remember coming around a corner and all the all the trails in that area were they were gravel but they were quarry gravel that was non-compactable. They were round stone. The real loose stone. Exactly. Um, and so I'm coming around a corner at about 70 miles an hour and uh, and uh, you know, you're hanging one side out and then you kind of ride it and you're fish sailing for a little while down the trail and you're just kind of just kind of riding on top of this super loose pack gravel. And I remember thinking to myself when a week earlier I went, I need to go get my endorsement. I need to go buy a street bike. I need to commute to work. I need to do all this stuff. I remember coming around that corner at 70 m an hour, fishtailing it out, hanging it out, having a grand old time, going, you know, I can probably do 80. [laughter] And the logical port of port portion of my brain chimed in and went, "Are you stupid?" Like, like the the reckless side went, "I could totally do 80 right now." And then the the logical side went, "No, you probably should not own a motorcycle. You probably shouldn't even own this dirt bike, but you do, and I'm going to let you drive home, but you're not going to buy a street bike because I know you. I know you better than you know you." Um, and so I had this whole debate as I'm fishtailing down this road. And at the end of the road, I went, I'm not going to buy a street bike. I'm never going to get my endorsement because I will kill myself. Yeah, I have just enough of that that adrenaline junkie mentality um to hang it out an inch outside of my ability. And if I do that on the road, I'm going to die. And so, literally, I still own that dirt bike. It's still in my shed. I I still have it. I never went and got my endorsement. I never, you know, I still ride it occasionally. I I'll go out on it and and and blast some trails and whatnot, but I trail blast. That's all I do. Yep. >> That's all I want to do anymore cuz I've also got three kids and I like coming home. >> Yeah. My I'm to the point where I have grandkids, so I'm back to doing stupid on motorcycles, [laughter] but I'm I'm keeping my stupid in the uh in the dirt. So, >> see, that's my dad. Um, uh, I I I went out and and wanted to get my motorcycle endorsement knowing my dad almost lost his leg in a motorcycle accident a couple years before I was born and knowing my dad has been in multiple accidents since I was born. Um, uh, including wrapping a BMW rental bike around a tree about a hundred yards off the road. Mhm. >> He he he went on a uh for his was his 50th, I think. Uh my my stepmom got him uh a rental with him and a friend and and they're like, "Oh yeah, we'll get like BMW, you know, cross trails and we'll we'll we'll go off and we'll do like all of Eastern Oregon and we'll have a grand old time." And he he rounded the road at like 90 m hour and they had just freshly tarred and sealed the road. So it was basically the consistency of snot. And he goes, "I hit that corner and I left the road." And it was one of those canyon cut roads. And so he left the road by a hundred yards and wrapped that bike around a tree 30 years after he had almost lost his leg doing the exact same freaking thing. [laughter] And so yeah, all of this kind of culminated in like, I don't need to ride a motorcycle. I will still ride a trail bike. I will still, you know, I I'll still go through whoopies. I'll I'll still have fun, but I do not need to daily a bike. I don't need to. [snorts] I I I'm laughing because people um first heard me mention I'm a grandfather and then they're like, "Wait a minute. Yeah, >> I have six I have six grandkids." That's true. Yeah. So, >> um me and between me and wife, we have five kids and um three of the kids have children. Yeah. though >> it several of them. >> Time catches up with us all, my friend. [laughter] >> Yeah. I I I like it when people say things like, "Oh, you started young or you planned young." I'm like, "Oh, there was no planning involved." Like, I knew the potential outcome of the act. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> But it turned out that it wasn't really planned, but yes, I did have kids young. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We uh let me put it this way. My my wife on our first date told me she wanted four kids and I still married her. >> How's that? [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. The first the first girl I got engaged, she wanted zero. I was fine with that. But engaged, never married. Um yeah, we had a lot of other issues. >> Yeah. >> Probably we never had kids together, >> right? Then there was the first wife. She wanted kids. We had a few of those. And now I'm on wife 2.0. Yeah. And she calls me husband 2.0. So this is a mutual agreement cuz we are both remarried. Well, there you go. [laughter] I honestly that's a totally healthy arrangement. Like >> Yeah. Yeah. We We've accepted that both of us made mistakes in our earlier lives. Yeah. So, >> yeah. >> I I love that both of you can pull up at any time. Look, you obviously have a serious lack in judgment. [laughter] >> We both can just pull it out. Like, yeah, we've both seen each other's exes. >> Right. [clears throat] Right. It's just >> Yeah. There was a younger time when we made poorer decisions than we made today. >> Yep. [laughter] No, but uh me and my my wife, my first wife, uh this year will be married 20 years. >> Congratul That's awesome. >> Thank you. Yeah. Later on this year. Uh >> that has been a long time. Yeah. Um, what's really funny is I went to the bottle shop today to buy some Block 15 and some Irish Stout and whatnot, and the the girl behind the counter kind of looked at me like she's doing the the math in her head like, "Do I need to ID you? Are you over 27?" >> And eventually she went, "Nah, you're probably okay." And I went, "Let me put it this way. This year I've been married 20 years." She goes, "Oh, yeah. You're definitely okay." [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. [snorts] It is. It is weird because I mean I me and my wife were just talking about the fact that we've been together for the current wife is 17 years now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like I I don't know that people just know I'm I'm over 50. So that's for those wondering if they're they're trying to do that math in their head thing like >> Yeah. >> Tom's over 50. So >> and I also got married um like when I was 19 or 20 to the first wife. So >> yeah. Yes. >> That went a number of years. It's just Yeah, cuz it Yeah, it's Life is weird like that. >> Yep. [laughter] So, yeah, I'm full. >> Okay. >> Yeah, [laughter] >> Jeff's Jeff's not crossed the 50 line. >> Undisclosed. [laughter] >> Undisclosed. >> Yeah, but >> Bible rolls up on you like a cop car, man. It just >> Oh, it does. Yeah. [laughter] No, like like I said, I've >> sneaks up on you. I I've I've got a teenager. I've got a four-year-old and I've got everything in between. And and man, that is, >> you know, you're going, "Yeah, I've got six grandkids." I'm like, "Yeah, I'm a decade and a half away from that." >> Maybe. Maybe less. Like, >> maybe it's a strange thing. >> Yeah. Yep. >> Yeah. One of those one of those ages. [laughter] >> One of one of those in there. >> One of those in there. That kind of range. >> Exactly. [laughter] All right. Well, I think we successfully did an upbeat show. >> Well, I we did an upbeat show. We did not talk about craziness too much. Uh >> I didn't have to turn the rant alert on one time, although we came close when I ranted at Microsoft, although they kind of deserved it. >> Um but yeah, I want more of this. Yes. >> Unfortunately, news marches on and and ice still sucks. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. The there we're in a we're in the wrong part of the story arc. It does get better. Right now, though, it's still on the downward of the arc. I I can't wait for the upward of that story arc. It'll get there. >> Yeah. >> Um >> and there's little snippets. there's uh finding the right levels of things and there's the better self-hosted community and some of the other things we talked about are good. So, yeah. Yeah. >> Look at that. >> There's still great things out there. Um, the the weird thing is I don't know what the bigger conversation around this is, but PC as a hobby, there's not a lot of things that are accessible as far as brand new PC right now. Um, that doesn't mean that you have to buy new, though, which kind of reinforces the whole home lab hacker vibe that I really like. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I like these scrappy, all right, we're going to figure out how to do this more efficiently. We're going to figure out how to do this on a tighter budget. We're going to get creative. we're going to have to hack something together that you know my I I don't there's a there's a cuz I follow and by the way me and my friend started a motorcycle channel so I've been watching more motorcycle channels we've been talking about this but there's a guy and if you just look up the term I think he called them micro vacations um or something along micro adventures but the the bigger specific thing the person was talking about is how their life has changed because as you find some levels of success that you maybe didn't have when you were younger you don't have something pushing against you. So you're not out of your comfort zone all the time because things become so routine. Yeah. And a guy he talks about finding a lot of success in life that you chased and worked for. But now having it means man I need to find a way like almost to pressure and convenience myself. And there is something about pushing against that. Back to kind of the topic at hand here is is >> we're creating these struggles that now everyone has and it becomes like everyone as a community of how do we overcome these struggles again? Because when I could just buy drives and massive amounts of storage for cheap, I did. So I have a lot of storage now. You know, when you could buy easy cheap servers, you did. You stuffed them with lots of memory because you could. And the economy was well. And it almost like even hard. >> When I was paying a dollar a gig, I had no problem dropping $500 on a 512 gig set of DDR4 3200 for a project. Like that that wasn't even a second thought. Um, when I could call Western Digital and say, "Hey, I need 20 drives." And three days later, 20 drives would arrive on my doorstep. It wasn't even a second thought. Now, it's different, [laughter] right? And you know this, the challenge you had was, "All right, this doesn't work with this, so I'll put them in separate virtual machines or something like that." Now, you're like, "Well, I can't run separate virtual machines because I uh only have this much RAM, so I'm going to have to figure out how much headroom I have." let's go ahead and engineer a better, more efficient system. I think this is in general, you look at the early computer days, the constraints of Doom are what built Doom. Doom could only work with the vision of the creators because they were able to optimize the hardware that they had. They didn't have gigs of RAM. They didn't have massive amounts of video power. They had to invent it all. And I think that's what's so cool is when you can >> John Carmarmac did have a 1920x 1080 28 inch CRT. Let's let's not pretend they didn't also have really good things. Okay, >> they didn't. But their goal was so we could play the game. True. We [laughter] didn't have it. So yes, John Carmarmac certainly um did well. But >> yes, >> the constraints he worked under, by the way, if you haven't read it, uh there's a book called Masters of Doom, uh which is about the history of it. But the constraints they worked under is what drove so much innovation in the way they did things. I think that's always very interesting. >> Yep. Yeah. It it goes back to necessity is the mother of all invention because if you need something to work, you will figure out a way to make it work. And and honestly, I'm kind of experiencing that a little bit myself because for the last couple years, I've been running a an AMD epic 7742 64 core ARM Rome CPU for a Home Lab server. And I'm like, what do I do with this? I don't even know. Like, >> does everything. And it had 256 gigs of memory, plus I had an extra box that had an extra 256 gigs of memory. And I'm like, yeah, I'll just throw this with like 16 gigs of RAM. It doesn't even matter. And now I'm like really thinking about my home lab because I've I want to practice what I preach. And so I went back to the X79 microcloud and I'm running eight individual nodes with 64 gigs of of RAM as a max because I can't afford anymore. Um I'm running eight or 12 core ivy bridge CPUs. Um and I'm like what can I do with this level of hardware? Turns out quite a bit. I feel like my home lab is doing more with the current level of hardware that I have than I was with the the unlimited amount of hardware I had two years ago. >> Yeah. And you just have to get like more efficient about it. But yeah, >> I don't know. That's there there's some enthusiasm I have for that to uh push for the struggle. Hell, that's probably part of the reason I started a motorcycle channel. Like I have a nice house. I I can sleep in this nice house or I can go moto camping with my friend and we can rough it, [laughter] >> right? We're going to inconvenience oursel because we can. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. >> But that's a that's another topic for another day. >> Yep. >> I think we're going to wind this one down. >> Exactly. Thank you all so much for watching episode 422. I hope this was a nice a nice getaway for a while and and maybe we'll do more of this. Uh because I'm as tired of the downtrodden wo is me, the world is ending news as anyone else. And look, we did this during CO for a while where we went, you know what, we're not going to talk about CO. We're not going to talk about negative news. We're gonna talk about what's fun. We're gonna talk about family. We're gonna talk about newest brews that we've tried. We're going to >> we're going to liven things up a bit. And I I really feel >> number one, that's what I need right now. Uh but number two, I think a lot of people also need that. Uh and you know, Tom, you kind of proved my point when I said, "Hey, you know, hey, let's start the notes tonight. Can we do like nondistopian?" And Tom [clears throat] goes, I don't know if I can. >> I don't [laughter] know if I can. >> I'm not finding anything right. You just slapped me with this one. >> We I think we pulled it off though. We had fun. We had fun with all of you. Thank you all of you for being here and joining us. This is a great time. >> Absolutely. Uh still love you, Brett. [laughter] Uh shout out to Ray. >> He's great. We had fun at his expense. >> Yes, exactly. >> We'll we'll go chat with him on Discord. >> Shout out to Ray Al. May maybe we'll get you know what? Maybe I'll get him on in this next month and and uh we'll we'll we'll we'll shoot the crap with him. That that might be fun. >> Brett is a genuinely an Ace guy. >> He really Yeah. But anyway, thank you so much for watching episode 422. Subscribe to the channel if you haven't done so already. Hit that like button. Make make sure we know that you liked the video. Uh subscribe to Tom Lawrence, Lawrence Systems over on YouTube. Link should be down in the video description. Uh Tom, anything good of the order before we close? Anything you want to pitch or >> check out my Proxmbox videos. Learn how to secure it. Watch that video. I put some effort into it. Yeah, I I actually have a whole write up and that mean part of the problem. I did a write up and people are just following the write up and not watching the video. But that's fine, too. I care that you secure your Proxbox backups properly. That's all I really want you all to do. So, >> watch me learn how to use it. Watch Tom learn how to secure it. There you go. >> Yeah. There we go. [laughter] Don't just run everything as root. Just >> How dare you? >> All right. And maybe I'll play I'm going to download the Star Trek game. So, that's positive came out of this, too. [snorts] >> Yes, you will like it. I will see how good it works on Linux. It works amazingly well. In fact, I played it on the Nvidia GB10 on ARM. >> Okay. >> So, if it runs on ARM, it'll run on Linux. >> That's a beautiful thing. >> Exactly. Thank you all so much and as always, we'll see you next week. Cheers everyone. >> Cheers.

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